2,500 Norwich Union jobs moved to India

Hundreds of IT positions under threat...

By Andy McCue, 2 December 2003 16:20

NEWS Norwich Union is to send 2,500 jobs offshore to India next year in a move that could lead to the loss of hundreds of IT jobs at the insurance firm.

Aviva, which trades in the UK as Norwich Union, said 2,000 'back office' administration, processing and IT roles will be moved offshore along with 350 call centre positions and 150 administration roles to support its general insurance business in Canada.

The company claims that 80 per cent of the jobs moved to India will be accommodated in the UK by a combination of expansion, current vacancies, staff turnover and voluntary redundancy. However, that still leaves 500 positions under threat and Aviva said it cannot rule out compulsory redundancy.

Aviva said the move will increase the number of staff in its existing offshore operations to 3,700 by the end of 2004. Call centre positions will be moved to processing centres in Delhi and Bangalore to deal with motor and household insurance enquiries and claims, while some IT service positions in the general and life insurance businesses will be transferred to Delhi, Bangalore and Pune.

A Norwich Union spokesman told silicon.com the number and existing location of the affected IT roles has not yet been finalised and that the announcement was made to prevent staff finding out about the plans through rumours and speculation.

Aviva said offshoring will give the company extra flexibility and capacity for its UK business, while providing further scope to enhance efficiency and improve service to customers.

Richard Harvey, group CEO of Aviva, said in a statement that while it is a tough decision, the action is necessary for the group to remain competitive and that it will secure a long-term future for the business.

"We are operating in an increasingly competitive environment. Our customers want value for money products and high levels of service so it is vital that we continually explore opportunities to improve our efficiency while maintaining service levels. Our staff in India are an important part of this process and our experiences to date have been positive," he said.

Harvey also hinted that the latest round of jobs moving offshore will not be the last and said that over the course of 2004 Aviva will continue to assess what future application offshore operations could have to other parts of its business.

Lee Whitehill, spokesman for union Amicus, told silicon.com the decision is just the "tip of the iceberg" and called on the government to establish a forum for unions to sit down with companies and plan for technological change.

"These are the first signs of a landslide which is going to engulf the British economy," he said. "The workforce is very angry and we will support them in any steps they see fit."

Georgina O'Toole, analyst at Ovum Holway, said the proportion of back office functions being moved offshore by Norwich Union reflects a wider growing trend, especially in the financial services sector, for firms to keep the customer-facing elements of their businesses in-house and not automatically put call centres offshore.

"There is a retreat away from that but it depends on the priorities. If they want to differentiate on customer service they are keeping core customer facing processes in-house. If the strategy is to offer the cheapest mortgage then the pivotal thing is to keep costs down."

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  1. 1. anonymous

    Personally I think it is disgusting.
    First our manufacturing goes aboard , now our service industry is moving.
    All to save money , But will it save us the policy holder any money, No.
    Next year policy price will still increase.

    I personal have phoned Norwich Union and stated when my polices expire I will not be renewing with them. If I have to deal with India call centres.

  2. 2. David Hunter

    I had my renewal notice for my car insurance and on calling NU Direct spoke to a woman who confirmed she was in India. I cancelled my renewal telling her that if she wanted to she could sell insurance in India but I was not paying for extra profits for Norwich Union and I would look elsewhere for my insurance. IF we all did this they would be back PDQ! We support the Indian call centres by purchasing from those using them.

  3. 3. David Ramsay

    I think the issue comes down to the UK population as a whole and the Data Protection Registrar.

    If everyone was to indicate to the registrar that NONE of their personnal data was permitted by them to be sent outside the shores of the UK then the country may have a chance to save jobs such as these.

    Lets face it if the 2,000,000 million jobs that are likley to be lost to outsourcing like this occur then in five years time there is a VERY large bill for social security 10 Billion Pounds a year!

    If the government doesn't take action now then... But there again Blair said he would leave it to market forces - is he really a Labour Prime Minister?

  4. 4. Paul M Ross

    Tony Blair said, on 2nd December 2003:

    “Of course, I feel desperately sorry for anyone whose job is at risk as a result of this change but that is the way the world is today.”

    Remember that when his next ambulance arrives too late...

  5. 5. anonymous

    Disgusting.

    All Norwich Union are doing is cutting costs, at the expense of British workers jobs.

    This will maximise profits for the shareholders.

    Will we see insurance premiums reduced as a result of this cost cutting exercise?? I doubt it.

    The outsourcing bubble will eventually burst, when it is costing the government more to finance and back this inititiave by virtue of having to pay out more in unemployment claims.

  6. 6. Ian Lukas

    I recently took a call from another user of Indian call centre services - Nectar - I couldn't easily understand what 'Steve' was saying and had to ask him to repeat himself time after time, embarrassing and time consuming.
    I also tried to apply for travel insurance via telephone and was informed that my call was being transferred outside of the EU and the data protection act would no longer apply - confidence inspiring!
    If people are unhappy with Aviva and others transferring services outside of the EU then they should let them know by transferring their own business to companies that employ EU staff.

  7. 7. Jim London

    Is Blair the MP for India?
    You'd think so from the dealings so far made public, and certainly his actions and statements appear to me to be detrimental to UK IT.

  8. 8. Joe

    Get this:
    In the USA, we have federal laws saying that local and state laws may not ban or descriminate based on nationality or creed.
    Yet in India there are laws that say the exact oppisite, so if you lose your job to an Indian citizen, it's pretty much a one way transaction. Gonna be funny when there's no costumers, because there's no employees to be customers. It'll be like the 1930s all over again, but worse, because of the idea that you NEED a number to live/purchase/work/etc. Imagine what I'm getting at there. "A house of cards can stand no wind."
    .

  9. 9. John Arthur

    My renewal notice for car insurance went up double. I rang and spoke with a charming lady who agreed she was in India, but who appeared to be programmed to give stock replies, not information.

    I no longer insure with NU Direct. I pay a very much smaller premium to my new insurers. Does NU care?

  10. 10. Stuart Smith

    Having been involved in assessing call centre activities I can assure Norwich Union that this move will not be of benefit to the overall performance of the company. What we have found is that employees oversea s do not understand the business fully which has the effect of frustrating present customers who then have taken their business elsewhere.
    Although the labour costs at first glance appear to be cheaper, in the longer term this proves not to be the case. Set up problems, e.g. installation of hardware, software & training have led to poor service levels & a large number of recruits leaving within a short time.
    So called increased profits from operating from overseas do not find their way back to the customer but into the directors salary (FACT).

  11. 11. anonymous

    As a result of reading the reports we decided to cancell our proposed investment of £8,000 and place it with a company supporting ENGLAND and have told N U why.

  12. 12. anonymous

    I think its a fair deal , and we must accept it as an opportunity for people who deserve it more.And as long as we are gettin good and satisfactory services , we are fine with the idea.

  13. 13. anonymous

    India has graduates as call centre agents. India has the best .I.T engineers in the world. India has staffing capabilities that no other country can offer. India is the cheapest world wide option for companies to outsource to.....Think about it, if it were your own company who was being offered all of the above what would you do??
    WAKE UP TO THE REAL BUSINESS WORLD - ITS DOG EAT DOG!!

  14. 14. Trevor Clements

    Well said David Hunter. I am 100% in agreement. We all need to stick together and tell these companies we want the jobs kept in the UK. One way of doing this is of course to take your business elsewhere.

  15. 15. anonymous

    It is true that my job will be outsourced to India in the next 3 years? Manufacturing industries in the US started outsourcing to China in the seventies. Though there was an outburst initially, Americans started liking it when they got less expensive cars. When America can accept that circuit boards and diesel engines could be got from China in ships and planes, why can't America accept that IT serives and customer support could be got through the internet?

  16. 16. captain_antioffshore

    If I call my bank, insurance broker or whatever and I get put through to India, I immediately terminate my dealings with that company, stateing my reasons as I don't/won't suport offshore.
    If everyone in the U.K did this see how long the Indian job stealing would continue?

    these always somewhere cheaper, as soon as India starts trying to up their profit margins, companies will turn to China -> Russia -> Africa, wherever its cheapest...

    enjoy it while it lasts because China is the next big thing India.

  17. 17. anonymous

    I'm trying to put together a definative list of companies operating in the UK that use offshore call centers etc.
    You can find the site at http://www.antioffshore.co.uk
    please have a look and post any comments etc in the forum.
    The site needs all the support it can get.

    Thanks

    drewy

  18. 18. Darren

    infuriating is what this move has been for me.I cannot get the answers i need from people who do not have the vocabulary to help me.I am trying to sort out my terminally ill wifes policy as she has at most 2 years left to live because of a brain tumour and she is only 29 with 2 kids so time is very precious to us.I will never take out another policy of any kind with this company again.
    It seems to me that they do not want to assist their customers in any way shape or form,

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