By Martin Brampton, 18 May 2004 08:30
COMMENT Age plays a role in IT - but that's not necessarily a bad thing. The problem, says Martin Brampton, is when prejudices prevent us from accurately assessing an individual's abilities.
Ageism occurs in IT. That seems to be the point at which agreement stops. We are not really clear what we mean by ageism, nor are we clear what should be done about it. Perhaps that is always the case for complex and difficult issues.
When it comes to certain other personal factors such as race or sex, there is widespread agreement that they should, in most circumstances, simply be disregarded. That we should treat age in the same way is less persuasive. People's characteristics undoubtedly change with age, in such fundamental ways that it would be perverse to attempt to ignore it completely.
When we are young, awareness of mortality is largely theoretical. In practice, life seems to stretch out indefinitely. There is still plenty of time to make mistakes and overcome them with fresh starts or new directions. The only talents that seem relevant are youthful vigour and intellectual edge.
Much later, the limited span of human life becomes far more relevant, leading people to be cautious about risking what has already been achieved and reluctant to spend time in ways that offer little reward. Vigour and intellect may be somewhat dimmed, but older people are aware that experience can often more than compensate for this.
Experience is naturally undervalued by young people, who lack it. Yet working through the many problematic situations that occur throughout life does provide a wider repertoire of responses to new challenges. It also allows a quicker assessment of situations. To take a simple example, car drivers are at their safest in their fifties and sixties. Reactions are slower, but judgement is better.
Now these are real considerations for employment. The workplace is a complex social setting, in which people are expected to play appropriate roles. What counts as an appropriate role is often disputed, but a characteristic as fundamental as age can hardly be ignored. So simply throwing a veil over the age of applicants seems perverse.
The problem is the use of stereotypes to make easy assumptions about individual people. Two things are wrong with this. One is that the stereotypes are often quite wrong and based on prejudice rather than knowledge. The other is that the variation between individuals is very great, quite often greater than the differences between the stereotyped groups.
Ironically, this is especially so in IT, a sector acknowledged to be afflicted by ageism. It has long been known that the productivity of software developers varies by a factor of at least 10 to 1 between the best and the worst. And length of experience with a particular technology is no guide to whatever skill it is that produces this huge difference. All the evidence suggests that this skill is readily transferable across different technologies, but not easily identifiable by any kind of test.
Enlightened employers have sometimes benefited from talented developers who have decided to step back from management roles. They have recognised that rising through levels of management is not the only way to develop a career. Some have even accepted that financial rewards should not always reflect such a view.
But usually, recruitment has signally failed to find any way to discern these fundamental differences in skill. Frequently, it also fails to build teams that function well as social organisations. This matters both because social interactions are fundamental to success and because people have values that are not all reducible to economic factors. One reflection of this is the inability to attract women into IT, despite many proven examples of outstanding talent.
Another is the monotonous litany of failed projects in IT. What is depressing about them is that the reasons for failure are often so obvious and so often the same. Or the problem, apparently only recently recognised, that software that contains faults can be exceedingly costly.
So ageism, as a prejudice that one age group is preferable to another, is very much to be deplored. We should not be ignoring age, but instead celebrating the different skills that people bring as they age. We should also recognise that most people are remarkably adaptable, and respond to the environment in which they are placed. Finally, we should pay more attention to the fact that economic success is by no means the only determinant of a happy and fulfilled life.
Editor's note: See our full coverage of ageism in IT. Have you been affected by ageism in the tech industry? Please email your stories to editorial@silicon.com.

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1. anonymous
With the grey in his beard, Martin Brampton is obviously no spring chicken! But how refreshing to read a no *ullshit, common sense piece about ageism in I.T.
In my experience employers can't even claim that older staff are more likely to take time off sick. In my (mixed sex & age) team it's more likely the younger members of staff turn in late or take time off sick.
Great thing is, while there is ageism in IT I will never think twice before spending money on training for older employees as they aren't going to change their jobs for better packages and more toys every other year!
Come on you managers and employers out there, see the light before it's too late!
2. Stephen Rifkin
We All Wear Smocks
What employers understood and then accepted is that for the most part we in IT do routinized, mundane tasks. That the difference between success and failure is largely illusory and that for executives building corporate feudal kingdoms, IT is a fertile ground to acquire funding, turf and serfs.
Ageism in IT exists for the same reason we draft 18 year olds. Because 40 year olds aren't going to storm that machine gun nest barehanded in order to get Colonel Blimp another ribbon. I can remember being on support pager queue once when I was young and the manager told me, and I quote "I don't care if you are on top of your wife, impregnating her. You WILL answer your pager!" As a 23 year old it was kind of funny. As a 43 year old I might have hit him with a router blade.
But the joke's on me because, as I said, we wear smocks. The jobs that older employers do are not for the most part different from those that young snots do. We may do them better or more efficiently but we don't really do a different job. There is no career path and the best we can hope for is either to get promoted to management, or worse, project management - all on our way to that bright shining city on the hill called "Advisory Architect" which is a 20 year employee who rests on their technical acumen sitting in organizational meetings all day and talking about obscure three letter acronyms which signify abstractions of project phases.
But the sad part is that if we ever get there we suddenly realize that being on the right side of the letterhead is preferable.
-No, the fact is IT workers should organize and unionize. For if we all wear smocks then we should simply gain the protections that all the other smock wearers do. Here in the US there is enormous resistance to that because we all still delude ourselves that we are bright and that if everyone else gets shipped off to Bangalore WE will be the special case. We are not special, we just don't recognize that we wear our smocks.
3. anonymous
Don't fight it - just beat 'em.
I'm "past it". Job offers got thin after I reached 40 and dried up after 45. So I've decided to employ my still creative mind to build a business. It's easier to set up a business and compete with likely employers than it is to try and convince them to employ me. It's their loss, and I have the additional benefit that the only idiot I have to work for is me.
4. John Taylor
None of our Management team are under 40. I am the oldest at 54, I drive the most miles in a year, spend more nights away than anyone and travel abroad on business the most. When an issue arises which is not in the Cisco manual or the Microsoft manual or it is'nt on the Internet --guess where they come for the answer? I am quite confident in ten years time that I will still be able to handle a sales call better than most of our salespeople, have more understanding of application than most of our system engineers and run a campaign better than most our Marketing Team. I am more up to date with Market trends and technical developments than most and I like working! It is called experience and it is valuable. My balding head and greying beard are badges I wear with pride from a hard school of learning in the fledgling IT business of the 1970's. Some of the most successful Companies I know have a large number of people like me. We may have to take the lift instead of the stairs, can't do without regular meals, (and yes we DO have to take more "comfort breaks"), constantly reach for our 'specs, don't say as much ---but--- when we do get there and read and comment --- we make it happen!
5. anonymous
Ageism in IT is a complex issue, as you state. One of the difficulties is the way in which older employees are treated. Companies anxious not to lose their highly mobile younger employees routinely pass over older employees for promotion, while acknowledging such rewards are overdue. Excuses get lamer each year.. Other companies actually depend on a core of highly skilled older staff employed at rates and conditions which see 150%+ annual turnover of younger staff. Ageism does not end with recruitment, but is at its worst when it's hidden underside becomes apparent.
6. anonymous
So, so true. My experience indicates that employers want my skills & experience but in a younger man. It has taken me 20 years plus to get this experience. It is unlikely that a man 20 years younger has matching, or better experience?
7. Neil Barrett
Effectively solving problems and building robust solutions requires teams. And teams need a mix of skills and behaviours. Any team which ignores age and experience as part of it's make up will suffer in the long run....
8. anonymous
Cut the c***, the reason the IT industry is ageist is the same as many other industries, it is simply cheaper to employ a younger less experienced and less qualified individual. Think nothing of employing elderly accountants and senior managers on inflated salaries, but IT staff are an(albeit expensive) commodity.
With a rationalisation of overblown salaries in the sector due to offshoring, things may start to change, but I personally know that since passing 40, it is an uphill struggle now finding a job at only half the salary I used to command. Noone's interested in experience and transferrable skills, they only want bright young things recently trained in the latest microsoft wizzy.... Short sighted, definately, but so is their view of their bottom line.
9. anonymous
I didn't start in IT until I was 30. Ten years later I'm much better at it than I was then. I enjoy the challenge of learning new skills I like keeping up to date. I don't mind travel, late nights or tight deadlines. I know a lot of people my age who don't like these things, but please don't judge me by their standards. You'd , quite rightly, be breaking the law if you discriminated on the basis of race, religion, gender or sexual orientation. Age discrimination is no different especially in IT where it can start as young as 30. It's just plain wrong.
10. anonymous
"it is simply cheaper to employ a younger less experienced and less qualified individual"
This is simply not true. If you read my contribution above, you would see that it is just as common for older staff to be employed at salaries of 20k and well under, only too willing and able to do 25-30k jobs, seeing younger colleagues WE have trained go on to those jobs and those salaries. You severely underestimate just how bad this situation is! I am 48, with all the Microsoft skills on top of a few now outdated mainframe years, and still on less than 16k! In London!
11. Jane McCormick
"Vigour and intellect may be somewhat dimmed, but older people are aware that experience can often more than compensate for this."
Is this scientific fact, if so I would like to see Mr Brampton's evidence.
Web editor, 42, experienced but still fairly bright.
12. Anonymous
I returned to University to persue a career as a Business Analyst within IT and graduated last year. I will be 38 this year so hearing about 'offers thinning at 40 and rare at 45' makes me nervous. I think I will take the stance of feeling younger than my age may suggest! BUT hey thanks for the heads-up.
13. Anonymous
I returned to University to persue a career as a Business Analyst within IT and graduated last year. I will be 38 this year so hearing about 'offers thinning at 40 and rare at 45' makes me nervous. I think I will take the stance of feeling younger than my age may suggest! BUT hey thanks for the heads-up.
14. anonymous
Down with stereotypes! I am a 51 yr old woman in IT, and didn't start in this field till a divorce in my late 30s. It has been a completely uphill struggle. I am constantly battling the assumptions that I supposedly don't want challenge, that I want a safe little job with no worries. In reality, I am highly energetic, love new projects, risk, and even have a taste for tackling and overcoming situations of conflict. No matter how glorious my track record at a place, the minute things settle down the assumptions start kicking in. "Hey, boss man!" I say, "Didn't I just slay the dragon and bring you the broomstick of the Wicked Witch of the West? What's next for me?" And the answer is, "Nice work, you can rest now while I hand out promotions and growth assignments to this bunch of younger and/or maler employees over here." "I'll rest when I'm dead." I reply, but you see what I mean ..... When I was younger, it was the gender issue, now it's age plus gender. You can really see a difference in the career progress records when you compare.
15. Gary Neil
Nice perspective - betya' a fresh faced Uni Grad couldn't have done that.
The ageism issue is just a timeless facet of human existence. My father went through it, his father, his father blah..blah.. it's my turn now. No doubt my kids will go through it, their kids etc..
After blowing away all the b***shit you come down to a very simple personal human decision. What kind of world do you want your kids to come into/what personal human values do you as an individual hold close to your heart ? Yes that's right YOUR HEART not YOUR HEAD.
Corporate capitalists exit stage left please.
16. anonymous
Facts?
This topic goes on and on. Obviously there are people who feel mistreated; and, given the nature of our commercial system, there is "pigeonholding" and those affected will see that as unfair.
However, also people can be nostalgic and outraged about skills they have acquired which are no longer in demand.
SO, does anyone have real statistics about the actual levels of skill (in in-demand areas) possessed by various age groups and the extent to which the skills of each age group are being neglected by employers? Many young people also acquire skills and are then ignored.
Some people may have to learn that, like circus performers or racing car drivers their grey-hair period requires them to adopt a different emphasis (and perhaps additional skills) if they are to be the product of choice in the marketplace.
There is no fairness in markets, just statistical advantage. If we want fairness to the individual that may have to be organised in a different way. The hope that campaigns will change the behaviour of employers seems to be a forlorn one - unless we redefine what businesses are meant to achieve.
Hartley
17. anonymous
Facts?
This topic goes on and on. Obviously there are people who feel mistreated; and, given the nature of our commercial system, there is "pigeonholding" and those affected will see that as unfair.
However, also people can be nostalgic and outraged about skills they have acquired which are no longer in demand.
SO, does anyone have real statistics about the actual levels of skill (in in-demand areas) possessed by various age groups and the extent to which the skills of each age group are being neglected by employers? Many young people also acquire skills and are then ignored.
Some people may have to learn that, like circus performers or racing car drivers their grey-hair period requires them to adopt a different emphasis (and perhaps additional skills) if they are to be the product of choice in the marketplace.
There is no fairness in markets, just statistical advantage. If we want fairness to the individual that may have to be organised in a different way. The hope that campaigns will change the behaviour of employers seems to be a forlorn one - unless we redefine what businesses are meant to achieve.
Hartley
18. anonymous
Facts?
This topic goes on and on. Obviously there are people who feel mistreated; and, given the nature of our commercial system, there is "pigeonholding" and those affected will see that as unfair.
However, also people can be nostalgic and outraged about skills they have acquired which are no longer in demand.
SO, does anyone have real statistics about the actual levels of skill (in in-demand areas) possessed by various age groups and the extent to which the skills of each age group are being neglected by employers? Many young people also acquire skills and are then ignored.
Some people may have to learn that, like circus performers or racing car drivers their grey-hair period requires them to adopt a different emphasis (and perhaps additional skills) if they are to be the product of choice in the marketplace.
There is no fairness in markets, just statistical advantage. If we want fairness to the individual that may have to be organised in a different way. The hope that campaigns will change the behaviour of employers seems to be a forlorn one - unless we redefine what businesses are meant to achieve.
Hartley
19. anonymous
In 1998 I graduated from Brunel with a 2.1 in I.T. I enjoyed the three year (full time) degree course very much and found no problem working with the other (much younger) students. I will be 60 in November and it seems that I am too old to know anything about I.T. and am also apparently completely incapable of getting along with the younger workers.
20. Marie B.
How true! I didn't get into IT till I was in my 50s. Even at college, I heard cries of 'Whos the old dame?,' and snide remarks I was meant to hear like 'Older folk shouldn't be here, who do they think they are?,' this from a cocky brat who knew no better. Well, I finished college and have been teaching IT to the adult sector for the past four years! I've been lucky, and found a terrific employer who saw how I worked and took me to work for the adult sector teaching IT skills and ECDL to adults, who otherwise would be left out of things, and I've had a great success rate. So, look out world, the 'oldies' are taking their rightful place!
21. Phil Gibson
A Sunday Times ad. for a role that I am ideal for attracted 2000 responses so it was inevitable that the CV Shredder would take out anyone mid forties on and I'm 49.
However I was able to 'network-in' to the decision maker and now I'm in the last 3.
Age makes it much harder to get an interview - it's a fact of life and many of us will reap what we've sown.