'If you look at iPlayer from a distance, it's still very web 1.0'

Q&A: Erik Huggers, director, BBC's Future, Media and Technology

By Tim Ferguson, 18 February 2009 14:30

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Erik Huggers became director of the BBC's Future Media and Technology (FM&T) division in July 2008, following the departure of Ashley Highfield who left to join the ill-fated Project Kangaroo.

As well as overseeing the Beeb's digital content, including the hugely successful iPlayer, Huggers is responsible for delivering the corporation's enterprise and broadcast technology strategy.

In an exclusive interview with silicon.com, Huggers discusses the future role of technology in broadcasting, his views on Project Kangaroo and his love for the Palm Pre.

silicon.com: iPlayer has been a huge success but what does the future hold for the service?
Erik Huggers: We're working at a lot of things the whole time - the whole concept of iPlayer is we're in perpetual beta. The thing never finishes. It's like a living organism, it's always on the move. Every week iPlayer shifts new features and functions, some of which never see the consumer because they happen in the engine room.

In the greater scheme of things I personally believe we're just scratching the surface. I think that it's still very early days and, while it's fantastic to have over 300 million videos delivered in a single year, compared to linear television we still have some ground to make.

We've got room for improvement on things like audio and video quality itself. Today's technology is fantastic and it gives you a very stable, reliable experience, but I think there's an opportunity to do a bit of something with video technologies that are a bit smarter and understand a bit more about your capability on the PC and broadband pipe.

So if you have a very fast broadband connection, maybe we can give you automatically much better quality and if you have a slightly slower broadband connection we'll give you the best quality that your broadband pipe can afford.

In a funny sort of way, if you really look at [iPlayer] from a distance, it's still very much a web 1.0 proposition. Sure, it's fantastically successful but at what point do you start to weave social functionality through the iPlayer?

Wouldn't it be nice if you could tell iPlayer that every time you watched something or listened to something it automatically tweets on your [Twitter] account so that all your friends know, "Hey, you watched Top Gear" or "Hey, there's a fantastic thing you heard on Radio 4"? We want to give consumers the ability to share their experiences with others.

I'm [also] interested to see what the possibilities are to allow consumers to share segments of video, played back on iPlayer obviously - call it a bookmark within video. There is a concept of trying to embrace in a smart way, the viral abilities of the web - getting our current user base to help us build more awareness, excitement [and] more value for money out of the service. Around the whole social theme, expect some exciting stuff from us.

What about technology for the BBC family of websites?
One of the areas that I'm quite excited about is this whole thing around widgets. You've seen us do quite a bit of work on the homepage and I think that was a toe in the water. [For example] you've seen us do some efforts with the embedded media player which is frankly a Flash-based widget, you've seen us deploy the Adobe Air-based iPlayer desktop. And so I'm quite interested in how you turn bbc.co.uk, which has so much to offer, into widgets that you can stick on your desktop, you're happy to share with your friends on Facebook, take with you on your mobile phone and, if our IPTV ambitions all come to fruition, you get to stick on your television as well.

Is semantic web something your team is looking at?
Yes, we have a lot of interesting and very smart people working on things like [semantic tagging method] RDF, we have a lot of folks working on other semantic technologies. And I think the first efforts in that space are aimed at the category of music, the next category could be something around natural history.

Although, here's the thing with semantic web: I think semantic web for the sake of semantic web is not interesting. Semantic web leading to new audience propositions that previously weren't possible is very interesting. So whenever people come and talk to me about the semantic web I always say I'm interested but only if it is clear what it means to our audiences. [If you don't do this], before you know it, you end up boiling the ocean - there's so much one can do.

What are your views on the demise of Project Kangaroo?
It's just a very unfortunate situation, whichever way you look at it. I know that my colleagues [in BBC Worldwide] and our colleagues in ITV and Channel 4 have poured their hearts out to get a fantastic value proposition to UK consumers and it's unfortunate that [it's] been stopped by the Competition Commission.

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  1. 1. Karen Challinor

    well the thing about television is we watch it, passively ... unless of course it's part of this execrable move to "reality tv" so loved by channel 4

    passive viewing is pretty much the definition of web 1.0, select what you want to see and see it on tv or select what you want to see and see it on the web - 1.0 technology nothing wrong with it

    plus, and excuse me if I'm misunderstanding, license fee money is going into the development of the iPlayer and some of the ideas include automatically linking into twitter or facebook to tell my friends what I watched last night ?

    why can't I tell my friends what I watched last night or is that just too much trouble for me ? I might not want my friends to know what I watched last night is it going to give reviews of these programmes for me as well

    if I watch a programme it's because I'm interested in the programme and not the delivery mechanism

    so extra bells and whistles on the player won't really do much as it's not the player we are interested in it's the content

    and any player that can deliver the content will do

    indeed a standardised player that can play any content from any provider would be ideal

    the first step on this road would be the definition of a standard for television over the internet

    strangely no one seems interested in defining this standard, instead preferring to add bells and whistles to proprietary products that deliver content from single providers forcing the development of lots of different players one for each provider, which at the very least is a huge waste of time money and resources and in the BBC's case our license money

  2. 2. Jonathan Day

    Karen you are spot on!

  3. 3. anonymous

    I'm not that impressed. For the guy that has such a key role in determining the future of digital media for the BBC the ideas he hasn't aren't that fantastic and I don't think are particularly well thought out.

    There seems to be an obsession with using the internet for tv broadcast.

    The bandwidth requirements and demands placed on the ISPs and infrastructure is huge.

    The BBC should spend time making HDTV available over FreeView, which it already has proven the technology.

    I'm worried about the BBC's strategy, are they going to try and push HDTV over the internet? ! What a mess that would be.

  4. 4. anonymous

    Such a shame kangaroo was canned. IMO it would have been great for the end-user in the UK.

    As it stands, the new iPlayer is superb- great os/platform support, easy to use.

    The same cannot be said of itv/c4/5/sky - many of which use the dreadful kontiki app which thankfully the bbc have got rid of.

  5. 5. Karen Challinor

    Anonymous - can the iPlayer play anything besides BBC content ?

    no it can't, so effectively you have a browser that can only look at a single web site or a tv that can only pick up one channel and it will never ever be possible to use it to look at anything else

    the reason the web is so successful is because there is a standard for content delivery in HTML which allowed the development of browser technology and the development of web sites by anyone, any browser could see any web site without this initial standard we wouldn't be having this discussion and without it's continuing development we wouldn't be looking at web2.0 and beyond

    we need a similar open standard for IPTV delivery over the internet

    so any media provider who wants to can make their content available in a standard manner and anyone can build a media viewer that can view any site with such media content

    standards make the internet work not individual applications

  6. 6. Karen Challinor

    actually not having a standard and developing a viewer like the iPlayer (with license payers money) is one way of stifling competition as no one else can use it

    and as long as it is perpetuated we won't have multi vendor IPTV as not everyone can afford to develop their own player as they don't have a bottomless pool of license fee money to play with and the competition commission will stamp on any attempted coalition effort

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