Real v Apple music war: iPod freedom petition backfires

iTunes zealots get lippy

By Jo Best, 18 August 2004 16:05

NEWS RealNetworks has stepped up its music 'war' on Apple - with results it clearly didn't expect.

Hostilities started in late July, when Real cracked Apple's FairPlay code, meaning songs bought from the RealPlayer Music Store could be played on the iPod - a move that went down very badly over at Apple. Real then decided to ratchet up the pressure by slashing the cost of its downloads to less than the 79-cent price barrier favoured by Apple. The next step - a campaign to get music fans to support the company's open stance - hasn't worked out quite as it might have hoped after users besieged a petition with obscenities and anti-Real postings.

The petition on RealNetworks' www.freedomofmusicchoice.org site is entitled: "Hey Apple! Don't break my iPod".

"Your company has long stood for innovation and open competition," the petition reads. "We're asking that youÂ… support the right of your own customers to make their own choices about where they buy music for the iPod. We want Freedom of Music Choice! Don't lock us in to purchasing digital music from one source. That's bad for competition. It will stifle innovation. And it will slow the adoption of digital music devices like the iPod."

Readers were encouraged to sign up and leave comments on the petition, now running at over 900 signatures. However, the comments left by petition signers were less than complimentary and featured a selection of tartly-worded and four-letter-littered epithets, with the target of the bile-spewing hordes being Real itself. CEO Rob Glaser came in for a particular attack from the website's visitors.

Visitors - including 'Michael Jackson', 'The Pope' and 'Bill Clinton' - expressed the view that they already have freedom of choice and would be exercising it by using iTunes. One poster, Rich Mertz, wrote: "You people are wrong, wrong, wrong. If we wanted 'choices' like yours, they wouldn't have to be foisted on us. Most of us given a real choice, would rather see you and your tactics go away. 'Competition' doesn't give you any right to reverse-engineer when you feel like it, but come down on those that hack into your IP rights. It's theft, pure and simple."

Others took issue with the fact Real's Rhapsody song shop doesn't support Macs. A poster by the name of MacUser wrote: "I choose to use a Macintosh. Why won't Real support me? Rhapsody doesn't work on the Mac. So even if I was interested in buying music from Real, I can't do it."

RealNetworks' stock price reacted badly to the price cutting and free music campaign, with shares dropping 20 cents to close at $5 each on Tuesday.

Some users, however, did support the campaign. Juan Noyles wrote: "Stop being so stingy, Jobs!" Another going by first name only, Jason, added: "I've got to give this particular move a thumbs-up. Proprietary file formats are never good for customersÂ… Anything that opens up competition in the market can't help but be good even if it comes from a P.O.S. developer like Real."

The deluge of anti-Real sentiment prompted the company to take down the original petition and replace it with one without a comment section but where the names of those who signed up were visible. Most signed up as 'Real sucks' or similar. The ability to see names was then removed.

Users can still post comments on the issue via freedomofmusicchoice.org once they register with the site, with similar anti-Real tirades already appearing, complete with intermittent swearing.

Real isn't the first company to criticise Apple over its stance on digital rights management (DRM). Virgin Mega recently took issue with the iPod saying its proprietary stance was anticompetitive.

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  1. 1. anonymous

    yup Real, and their software does suck. They need to open up their junk before reverse engineering anyone elses... You cant take the stance of proprietary formats being bad when you are one of the main perpetrators of the same.

  2. 2. Steven Jobs

    Aw, poor Real -- they turned off the comments in their fake petition drive! They couldn't handle the truth, people can see that they are desparate, using hook or crook to try to get in on our innovation -- the iPod. Real is a has-been tech company. It's RealMedia has been bypassed by WMA and Quicktime, and its proprietary audio format is next to useless -- no one supports it, with free alternatives readily available. Now Real is making a last-ditch effort to sneak its way into Apple's technology, by copying the iTunes Music Store.

    Guess what, Real: Our music store is a loss-leader for the purpose of selling iPods. Apple doesn't make money from online music sales -- and neither will you!

  3. 3. anonymous

    The complainants are clearly Apple employees. Pathetic.

  4. 4. Brian Carson

    Real Audio has employed proprietary tactics of such an ugly magnitude for so long, they are just a pot calling the kettle black. Real has pioneered the dirty tricks of deceiving you into signing up and spending your money on them, forcing you to eat their advertising, assaulting you with software that won't go away like shit sticks to a blanket. Real invented hijacking protocols.

    But I'm certainly no fan of Apple, or Mac, They are just proprietary price gouging snake oil salesmen, whose following is loyalists stuck back at 1982 thinking Mac is the only setup with a Graphic User Interface

  5. 5. anonymous

    > The complainants are clearly Apple employees. Pathetic.

    Clearly you've never met a Mac Maniac :)

  6. 6. anonymous

    The main problem with the petition is that it is sponsored by Real. The whole website is made to appear as if it was some grassroots endeavor, but is actually a marketing scam by Real.

  7. 7. anonymous

    iPods are not proprietary. You can load mp3s without difficulty.

  8. 8. anonymous

    I don't get it?!?!? can't you just put any mp3 on an I-pod? why couldn't people just rip an mp3 from another format like real? It's just audio, you have a sound card just play the song, plug the output into the input to your soundcard record a .wav and convert the wav into an mp3. Am I missing somethign here? Is it no longer possible to put your own mp3's on an I-pod?

  9. 9. Brian Carson

    Real Audio has employed proprietary tactics of such an ugly magnitude for so long, they are just a pot calling the kettle black. Real has pioneered the dirty tricks of deceiving you into signing up and spending your money on them, forcing you to eat their advertising, assaulting you with software that won't go away like shit sticks to a blanket. Real invented hijacking protocols.

    But I'm certainly no fan of Apple, or Mac, They are just proprietary price gouging snake oil salesmen, whose following is loyalists stuck back at 1982 thinking Mac is the only setup with a Graphic User Interface

  10. 10. bruce p

    apple wrote the best software
    apple makes the best machine
    apple has by far the best music store
    apple connects all of these seamlessly
    aaple promotes buying not stealing music
    which in the end promotes the artists ..
    apple even played nice and allowed wintels in
    apple has revolutionized how we view our music ,,buying... playing.....
    real networks who ??

  11. 11. Ryutaro Murai

    mandrildesign.com/real.gif I think pretty much sums it up. If Microsoft announced their engineers were now making it possible to play PS2 games on the XBox, there would be no debate. The fact is, some people hate Apple and hate seeing them succeed through honest competition and a superior product. That Real is lying to the media (iPod only plays music from Apple? Since when did Apple have a monopoly on MP3, AAC, or AA?) and pretending they are standing up for "the people" is further insulting. That, in particular, is what's earning them so much vitriol.

  12. 12. Zac

    Nope, not an Apple employee here. I am however a Mac user, iPod owner and iTunes/iTMS customer. I choose to use them because, in my opinion, they do what they do: simply and elegantly.

    I did post on the original Real petition site and did not use expletives or other invectives against Real. But I let it be know the hypocrisy of Real's position.

    My iPod works very well with music files from other sources, simply load them onto iTunes and the rest is (in typical Apple fashion) automatic.

    BTW, the Real music site does work with Mac's. Real just chose to intentionally block Mac's by flagging their browsers user agent. Now how's that for choice! Ironic?

    Zac

  13. 13. Gord Tryon

    Apple has something like 4% of the personal computer market today becasuse of its proprietary obsession way back in the eighties. They still haven't learned. And as for the sanctity of copywrite, who was it that filed as a friend of the defendant in the notorious Napster-ripoff case?

  14. 14. Real Tech Thieves

    Apple does the R&D. Real steals technology. They are thieves because they steal from Mac but wont allow Mac to play with Real. That's not competition.

  15. 15. I_Hate_Real

    Real, please go away. We don't want your spyware.

  16. 16. Real Sucksbad

    Real sucks. Even on a T1 line their streaming video looks terrible. Sound drops out. They want you to buy their stupid software and then pay to "upgrade" every 3 months. They load a lot of crap on your PC that sticks like spyware. Annoying pop-ups flash verts on their free crippleware. Worst, some "politically correct" sites don't even offer Media Player as an alternative. I just don't come back. If you bought every upgrade since Ver. 1, you would have spent $500 by now. Oh, did I say Real sux!

  17. 17. anonymous

    thot they were in de porn biz !!?? I use Real's Free player to watch porn on de web .. if I had a choice i used WMP or QT can play their format..

  18. 18. Mark Koravich

    Looking around the web for a different take on this story is like looking for different thinking in the computer world - with the exception of Apple, totally non existant. Where is the lateral appraisal of Real's tactics? Where is the business and marketing understanding of the phenomenon that is Apple's iPod and it's gleeful acceptance by joe public? What do we get?... just endless syndicated stories saying that Apple's go-it-alone strategy will ultimately fail because it doesn't accomodate the PC world. Well here is the proof that there is another world inhabited by people who just want the best and don't give a fig for one-eyed pandering to market share muscle in the computing world. Do they care about the total control that Apple exerts over all aspects of the iPod/iTunes technology? Yes they do, by buying millions of them.

  19. 19. anonymous

    The petition is actually bigger than ever :) I heard the petition went down early yesterday because it was overloaded -- the comments have been back up for the last day. http://www.freedomofmusicchoice.org

    Your company has long stood for innovation and open competition. Wasn't it Apple that ran the famous Super Bowl ad encouraging consumers like us to stand up for our right to choose when it comes to personal computers? We're asking that you do the same now and support the right of your own customers to make their own choices about where they buy music for the iPod. We want Freedom of Music Choice! Don't lock us in to purchasing digital music from one source. That's bad for competition. It will stifle innovation. And it will slow the adoption of digital music devices like the iPod.

    Do the right thing. Stand with us for Freedom of Music Choice!

  20. 20. anonymous

    Real software has been and will always be a 'money oriented-poorly engineered' software company.

    All the programs and products from real are just obnoxious.

    I really hope Real stop using cheap tactics and start making innovative product for consumers.

  21. 21. J. Alec West

    This so-called "war" is already over. What person in their right mind would download 99 cent songs from iTunes or 49 cent songs from Real when they can download songs for 2-5 cents from AllOfMP3.com???

  22. 22. David Bemis

    It's Apples iPod and their music store. So if you don't like 'em don't buy 'em. Quick trying to use their popularity to sell your own crap. There are plenty of Mp3 players out there. Here's a flash, be creative and make your own and stop riding Apples coattails. idiots

  23. 23. Ben Bucksch

    - Apple uses reverse-engineering with Windows filesharing (Samba)
    - Real is not opening their own formats either, but instead holds lots of patents on video compression.
    - They don't support Macs (although it's all about iPods - duh)
    - They have a reputation of sniffing on users and generally doing what's bad for users just for profits.
    - It's not a good idea for a company to start a petition anyways

    Real may well get flagged for hyppocrycy here, and rightly so.

  24. 24. Bob Gould

    I will say this again. Was Real has done is Real wrong. It is no different that what Napster did at first. If they wanted their software to work with Apple products why didn't they start with OS 9? I still can't get it to work. Everytime I use Real on OS 9 it has to restart then restart in an endless loop till I reboot. Why didn't they take their case to court and go from there? That's where they will end up anyway.

  25. 25. Ben Dover

    Real accusing Apple of slowing innovation? Hah! Short list of Apple Innovations:

    1. Mac (copied by Windows)
    2. Desktop Digital Video
    3. FireWire
    4. iPod
    5. Newton (1st PDA)
    6. First commerical mouse, ethernet, pc w/cd drive...

  26. 26. anonymous

    Another thing to remmber is Xerox actually invented the stuff in the first place, but you try prove it.

  27. 27. Scot Land

    What the hell is a:
    'money oriented-poorly engineered' software company?

    It must be an engineered software company that poorly orients their money.

    Perhaps you meant something like: 'money-oriented poorly-engineered' software company.

    You would think a 'Researcher' might be more intelligent. . .

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