Leader: Is the iPod love affair over?

Apple's beloved music player plagued by poor quality and a damaged brand...

By silicon.com, 20 June 2005 17:15

The first signs have started to emerge this week that Apple's super-cool must-have iPod music players are, well, how can we put it - actually not that great.

For Apple's legions of diehard fans we're sure we've just committed some unimaginable sin by uttering those words but let us look at the evidence.

First up is Duke University, which, if you remember, leapt onto the iPod hype bandwagon last year by giving a free iPod to all new students. It cost the university $500,000 to kit out the 1,650 freshmen with the shiny white devices in the autumn. Was it worth it?

Duke University now says the results were mixed with only around 600 students actually making use of their iPod for not only listening to bland college rock but also recording and playing back lectures. Maybe Duke will soon realise students aren't going to pick their university based on whether or not it's giving out a free iPod.

Next up is the questionable quality of the iPods - bearing in mind of course the premium you pay for those white ear buds. This is where silicon.com staffers can speak from personal experience.

One journalist here bought three shiny silver 4GB iPod minis for himself and the silicon.com team after visiting New York in February 2004. All seemed well for a while but soon some now all-too-familiar problems began to emerge. Within six months of purchase, all three iPod minis had been sent back to Apple because of dead batteries and knackered click wheels.

The service from Apple at the time can't be faulted as all three devices were still under warranty and were replaced within days with no fuss and no charge - which just about makes you forget for a short while that perhaps, just perhaps, a £150 digital music player should last for a little longer than six months.

Yet less than six months after getting the replacement iPods the same problems reared their heads again - the battery on one unit now lasts for just an hour after a full charge and the click wheel has given up the game, rendering the iPod mini virtually unusable.

This time around the mini is not under warranty and Apple wants to charge the best part of £140 to fix it. A little steep, no? We think so. And it's led us to look elsewhere for our next music players. We're betting we're not alone on this one.

Here at Silicon Towers, one staffer plans to pick up a 20GB Creative Zen Touch for about the same amount as it would cost to fix the replacement iPod mini.

Which brings us to the all-important question of brand. Could it be that the iPod just isn't that cool anymore? Reports from the US claim that Apple is struggling to shift its new Shuffle range and is sitting on a significant amount of inventory. Brand experts claim this is because Apple has cheapened the image of the whole iPod range with an average product like the Shuffle. We're betting the mini's dead batteries and broken click wheels didn't help, either.

So is this the first wave of an iPod 'backlash'? It's probably too early to tell and admittedly any new product as heavily hyped as the iPod could encounter similar problems. But what will be crucial to the music player's long-term success or failure is how Apple responds to these shortcomings - and whether it starts to make sure the iPod's quality matches its sleek design.

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  1. 1. Just

    Well, I can tell you this ipod lover will be jumping off of the bandwagon. Recently my lovely $400 piece of mp3 player has stop connecting to my windows pc. This is about 8 months after i got a replacment ipod because the back plate got bent from my have the protective cover will the clip on it.

    I for one believes that it is the recent ipod updater that i used the screwed it up. And i am not alone, if you go to the forum on the ipod website you will see many other have the connecting issue, but yet apple says nothing about this wonderful device.

  2. 2. anonymous

    So this is what passes for journalism now? A broad statement about declining iPod quality based on the experience of one journalist's personal experience?

    And how, exactly, is the brand "damaged?" Not much in this article to suggest that, especially given the contradictions of most branding studies suggesting that Apple is still one of the best admired brands in the world.

    Next time, please include some facts and basis for the inclusion of broad, sweeping statements in your next article.

  3. 3. Vic Schmidt

    I understand the frustration, but know from years of experience with Apple that they offer some of the highest quality computers and accessories you can buy. Yes, lately they (and hundreds of other electronics retailers) have gone to having more of their things built offshore and that does cause SOME quality control issues. BUT, as a percentage of what they build and sell, they have some of the highest quality products out there. iPods can be especially susceptible to damage due to their small size - kids tend to jamp them into backpacks and I chellange you to follow a backpack for a day and see the torture those poor iPods go through. Battery life is very high, but like most rechargeable batteries, they must be used down to zero charge THEN recharged to get the longest life out of them. You only get so many charges out of a battery, no matter if you recharge it when it's hald discharges or fully discharged. And the more it's used the shorter that usable life span will be.

    In short, with all the millions of iPods that are out there, a VERY SMALL percentage of them EVER have significant problems. I've had Apple computers, monitors, iPods and accessories since the late 70's and my personal experience says you're dead wrong - compared to OTHER electronics manufacturers. Thanks...

  4. 4. Tom

    I don't know you guys do with your ipods but I've had a 2nd generation now for 3 years and have never had any problems, I also have a 40gb iPod photo, again no problems with it.... but if its happening to more people prehaps I'm just lucky. Both ipods have been used on an almost daily basis since new and i can be quite hard on them with the occasional drop.

  5. 5. anonymous

    Me likes me iPod thank you very much!

  6. 6. Alan Levy

    Nice hit piece.

    the premise of your story is that iPods are losing their "cool" status yet your support for this proposition is one university experiment had mixed academic results with zero analysis as to whether the students thought the player was any less or more cool.

    Then you point to anecdotal evidence of three equipment failures all of which were covered under warranty (with no mention of anything but prompt, easy customer service--a factor in people's perception of a product's value) followed by one unit's additional failure. [ED NOTE - So which bit of "The service from Apple can't be faulted" line from the piece didn't you understand Alan?]

    On these thin threads of dubious evidence you make the claim that the fad is running its course. No product sales numbers, no quotes from members of the target demographic (s) about iPods being passe, no new trends spotted that would replace the iPod--just complaints about the price along with an unattributed opinion by "brand experts" that the Shuffle has cheapened the brand image.

    Lame.

  7. 7. anonymous

    Duke performed an experiment with iPods that failed and *this* is proof that the bloom is off the iPod? Proof that Duke had a hairbrained idea perhaps. Proof that Duke didn't do enough to support the experiment, yes. Proof that without broad support of your staff, a new paradigm in education won't take hold, certainly. But proof that something is wrong with the iPod? Nyet.

    As for quality problems...I have an equally small sample of iPods to report on. Battery life as good today as when bought. No mechanical failures. My sample suggest iPods are perfectly made. Of course, unlike Silicon, I'm honest enough to recognize the sample is too small to mean anything at all.

  8. 8. anonymous

    Working at a store that's also an Apple reseller. I must say that the reliablity issue is pretty much a dead horse that deserves to be put out ot pasture. I would say that less that 1% of all the iPods the we sell and service are defective. Most of the units that we do get in for service are back on the road in the matter of minutes. The usually just need to be reset or have a firmware update.

    User error is the number on reason for iPod defects.

  9. 9. anonymous

    Food, water, iPod, shelter. I've got my priorities straight!

    I'd love to hear the how the 20GB Creative Zen Touch is doing 12 months from now.

  10. 10. anonymous

    I do find it unfortunate that Duke thought the iPod was a PDA, but not everyone is perfect. In time, the iPod will probably aquire enough PDAisms that it might, in a pinch, actually be able stand in for one. However, to fault the iPod for not being a PDA is brainless and stupid.

  11. 11. Jyakku

    Get real! iPods Rock! You guys are really reaching.

  12. 12. Ted Landis

    Ha. OK, let's see. iPod are loosing their coolness because a bunch of student who were given one did not appreciate them? Huh? What has that got to do with th iPod vs any music player given to those same students?

    And because people you know have had abd luck with an iPod you can concluded that "you are not alone in this"? How did you reach this conclusion?

    Please try and write articles based on relevant facts, not conjecture.

    I think that the fact that you wrote about iPods shows just exactly how "cool" they still are. Would this same article have been written about a Zen mp3 box? [ED NOTE: If we buy one and it also lasts less than six months, then yes is the simple answer to that]

  13. 13. anonymous

    none of the ipods support ogg vorbis nor do the supporting itunes/quicktime apps you need to feed an ipod. makes the offer none too compelling from a firm that claims to think different.

  14. 14. John

    Blah blah blah. The leader is always the focus of attacks like this. Look at Microsoft. It's inevitable. I'm just sorry I was sucked into reading an article like this because really, who gives a shit? Buy the MP3 player you want.

  15. 15. anonymous

    Egads! Is this what passes for journalism wherever the heck you are? Personal experiences equate to market trends? Sheesh.
    The "Apple having hard time moving it's stuff" story has been largely debunked over in actual-journalism land.
    As for personal experiences, I have both an original 5 GB iPod and a 20 GB U2 iPod. Both have performed flawlessly, with the 5 GB model having performed so for nearly 3 years. Do my personal experiences trump yours?
    Please try a little harder!

  16. 16. anonymous

    I've had a 40gb ipod for over a year now. Zero problems. It has sustained heavy use. As far as quality goes, I'm a musician and picky about sound and I'm totally satiisfied. For me, I consider the source of this article..Cnet, the same people who raved about the Dell mp3 player and dubbed it the ipod killer...yeah right you've got a lot of credibility...not

  17. 17. hank johnson

    First off, the "fact" that Duke University has stopped giving out iPods due to lack of use is simply unfounded. Duke University has halted the program because nearly all incoming Freshman already own an iPod and have no need for another one. What these kids are doing is taking the free iPod and selling them off for beer money. Really, how many college kids don't have an iPod? It's a must have accessory.

    As for the quality control issues, your experience is hardly an indication of quality issues across the entire manufacturing line. I've owned every generation of the iPod since it's introduction and have never experienced a problem due to manufacturing fault or use of low-quality materials. On the contrary, the iPod is undeniably the best made and designed player on the market. My current silver mini constantly surprises me with its ease of use, its outstanding sound, and its slim design. Plus, no other player can match the perfect marriage between the hardware of the iPod and the software of iTunes. That's where the real usability test comes in and that is why all other players fail and continue to fail.

  18. 18. anonymous

    Your just wrong. Mostly people just love their i-pod. We're not idiots however. Rational people know it is just a mechanical device and can and will break. I mean look how many people still use that unrelaible OS. What is that again? Oh yes- Windows.

  19. 19. anonymous

    While I have no love for Apple, this article was rather pathetic. The "one staffer" type of anecdotal evidence is laughable. Do you have statistics which compare quality and service issues amongst all competitors? It wouldn't appear as though you do.

    This article sounds more like the wishful thinking of an employee for a competing product than something based on fact or statistical analysis. Please let us know when you have something substantial to report.

  20. 20. H. Adkins

    Are you crazy? You are talking about 3 out of 1650 iPods given to college kids of all people. You Microsoft types are really reaching. I guess you are jealous over the 80% market share that Apple has. Go and get your Zen Creative Touch, but do it fast before Apple puts them out of business!

  21. 21. Junk Article

    You've got to be kidding!!! This is just about the most idle piece of BS I've wasted my time reading. Dear Author_why not have something substantive to write about before submitting an article worthy of a real journalist. Oh, yeah. I forgot....I hear that anyone writing anything these days and posting it to the WWW is a journalist.

  22. 22. James Joyce

    Apple stuff is top notch in Quality. Is it a sin to have an entirely new product category with a few issues? Nope! At least iPod owners WANT to fix their devices, similar MP3 players break just the same, but are left broken... it's a testament to Apple's usablity that the 2% of people that have problems will actually fix them.

    Keep in mind the shear numbers here... 16 Million in hard use, sure there will be a few with issues, but it's not common, nor is Apple turning a blind eye, they've always supported customers with problems. It's their california nature...

    iPods keep getting better and better, it's the future of music & spoken audio, that's for sure...

  23. 23. anonymous

    This article is far from the truth. I do not know a single person looking for a digital audio player right now who is not buying an iPod. All the other players do not have comparable interfaces or comparable user experiences. The iTunes software is part of what makes the iPod so successful, because it is so easy to manage and transfer your music collection to the iPod using it. No other company offers anything even close to being as easy as iTunes, or the iPod user interface for that matter.

    There are lemons with every product, but good luck with that Creative Zen. You'll need it. Somebody with a hate on for Apple's success here at Silicon.com? Your article sticks out like a sore thumb among hundreds of positive iPod reviews. Something is fishy...

  24. 24. Joe Soap

    Man, if one of those Duke kids wrote this story as a paper they'd probably get an F and be asked to return their beloved iPod.

    What does the Duke part have to do with Apple ? I don't see what difference there would have been in the results if Duke had used some other mp3 player. Are you saying that students would have used them for more academic work if they had been given something else ?

    And, what is the deal with your quality anecdotes ? You do your research by asking around in the office ? You guys are lazy. Maybe CNet has a quality control problem.

  25. 25. Marcos D

    I have been an iPod user since the first 5GB models came out and have replaced them with the newer models although I have not upgraded to the lates version. I have yet to experience any problems with my unit. I also recently bought an ipod shuffle for better mobility at the gym and car... could not be happier. That is my experience so far.

  26. 26. anonymous

    Silicon.com part of the CNET family? Nuf said. [ED Note: Care to clarify exactly what you mean by that Thomas?]

  27. 27. Frank

    Millions of iPods sold and you base you article on your bad personal experience with one iPod and a surplus of iPod Shuffle?

    In the name of balanced reporting my original 5 gig iPod lasted for four years before its hard drive died. So based on my experience iPods have great quality. Oh yes, I replaced its battery after 3 years for $30 self-installed.

    BTW have you read the user feedback on the competition? Look at CNET.com why don't you?

  28. 28. macFanDave

    You think the grass is greener on the other side?

    The other players are defective out of the box. Navigating them is far more difficult, so you are dealing with an inferior product from day one and there ain't no warranty for that.

    I don't know the habits of people who are ruining batteries and physically damaging them, but my 4G 40 GB iPod and my daughter's mini are still working great. We just treat them like electronic devices that are not invincible.

    Of course, there is no proof that the alternatives to the iPod are any more rugged, or that their customer service is any more fair.

    Most stores in America that sell MP3 players devote far more shelf space (and more prominent to boot) to iPod ACCESSORIES than they do to ALL of the pretenders combined. I doubt that a few disgruntled customers (who are not telling the whole truth about how their iPod came to their untimely ends) will significantly slow the momentum.

  29. 29. Jack H

    Re: iPod performance issues -

    I have yet to hear anything like what this unnamed author is talking about ... This seems like some sort of hatchet job to me. Maybe microsoft or Creative, or Sony, or some other corporate entity trying to play catch-up is paying for a little anti-Apple buzz, no? [ED Note: If that's what you think and it makes you happy, then so be it. Of course most sensible readers know that we don't get paid by any vendors for coverage, and if you look back through our articles you'll see there are equally as many pro and anti stories and opinion columns about all the major vendors from Apple to Microsoft]

  30. 30. anonymous

    It's not over for me!

    I've owned 6 iPods (currently have 3). Only one has failed/needed repair, which Apple replaced (it should be noted that the iPod that failed had been dropped on to a sidewalk and continued to work for at least 6 months after it was dropped - whether the drop had anything to do with it's failure is unknown).

    I purchased the original 5 GB immediately upon release and sold it once the 20 GB 2nd generation model came out. I sold it to a friend and he still uses/loves it. The second generation 20 GB and the 1st generation Mini were sold, but are still functioning without problem.

    None have had their batteries replaced, yet!

    I don't think that the iPod is any more likely to fail, when treated reasonably, that any other electronic device.

  31. 31. Jim McGaw

    I love my iPod -- now two years old -- and I've never had a problem with it. Did you bother to interview any people like me? We're the majority, for sure.
    And why didn't you compare the iPod to its many lower quality imitators?

  32. 32. anonymous

    After reading your recent article "Is the iPod love affair over?" I was left with the impression that silicon.com might be plagued with quality-control problems of its own.

    The article's focus seems to be a trio of unnamed staffers who had trouble with their iPods and decided to vent their dissatisfaction by doing a hit piece. I'm sure this was a frustrating experience for each of them, but it hardly qualifies as pervasive evidence that the best days of iPod are over.

    I'm not sure who the unnamed "brand experts" are who have declared that Apple's new flash player has cheapened the iPod name -- might they also be silicon.com staffers with personal axes to grind? Frankly, yours is the first publication of any kind that I've seen make such an assertion.

    The mention of the Duke University report on their first-year iPod program was interesting, though the use of loaded phrases like "bland college rock" also suggest that the writers may be less than objective about the topic at hand.

    I'm sure Apple's continuing success with the iTunes/iPod combo must get a tad boring to write about, which is why we're seeing so many "Is XXX The Long-Awaited iPod Killer?" pieces of late. But the apparently anecdotal evidence presented by the article makes it smell to at least one observer* like FUD of the cheapest and most personal kind.

    Having said all that, I should note that we can all sympathize with the frustrations of buying an electronic lemon. With that in mind, I hope you'll follow up with a report on the staff's adventures with the Creative Zen Micro, which is incompatible with music purchased from the the most popular legal download source (the iTunes music store), and is viewed by at least one brand expert** as a poor-man's knockoff of the iPod.

    ---
    *Me.
    ** Me again.

  33. 33. anonymous

    My 20g iPod is over six months old and works great and don't you think your sample is a mite small to come to such sweeping conclusions regarding iPod quality. I have purchased many Apple products since 1987 and I can say without reservation that quality has never been a issue.

  34. 34. mangus

    Spare us. Statistically, the number of problem iPods pale in comparison to those sold. You're talking about an exponentially small number of bad hardware datum and using it to smear the whole product line.

    Obviously, you forgot to use your line of thinking on items like Windows XP, General Motors, Dell, and other brands.

  35. 35. Bill Gaetes

    One iPod... wow that is quite a trend.

    And I love the implication that if Salon staffers are considering a Creative Zen then the iPod is no longer cool... Because the Salon staffers are qualified to judge cool?

    [ED Note: Salon, eh? And we thought we worked for silicon.com. Care to read the article next time 'Bill']

    ha!

  36. 36. Daniel Stephens

    This article reads like 'I am really pissed off at Apple because my iPod broke' so I'll get even by writing a critical article. It certainly doesn't read like professional journalism. I personally don't give a toss about Apple -- but I don't like to feel I've wasted my time reading some hack's crying jag about his broken mp3 player.

  37. 37. anonymous

    I guess we'll know after a few million more Creative units are sold. You can compare failure rates then.

    I do remember that both Rio MP3 players I bought were pretty awful....

  38. 38. anonymous

    What a load of bollocks.

    The Duke University program requires the university to put iPod's to effective use. Absolutely fuck-all to do with Apple whether they manage to make it a success or not.

    Using your astonishing Logic that the performance of 3 iPod's represents that of all... I'd just like you to know that there are 3 iPods in my family, all have worked fine since the day of purchase; all have batteries delivering maximum charge (even after a year of heavy use), all have perfectly functioning click wheels.

    Poorly written, poorly researched, lacking in almost every way - this piece is a complete hatchet job written by some disgruntled journalist (?!) who had a problem with his iPod.

  39. 39. dave woodruff

    If you think it sucks so bad, try using a Rio player, you'll find out what suck really means.

  40. 40. anonymous

    Sad attempt at reporting fluff. Little late jumping on the bandwagon or was that planned so you wouldn't be lost in the rest of the wannabe news sites? Stop feeding your advertisers and actually report real news.

  41. 41. anonymous

    The battery life of any rechargeable device is largely attributed to how you use it, iPod batteries are best used 'til almost dead and then fully recharged. Different types of batteries respond to usage patterns differently. Click wheels are just like a trackpad, also affected by use. If you push too hard in spots too often, they'll wear out quickly. I bought a 6 gb Mini the day it came out and have yet to encounter any problems outside of one which was fixed with a reload of the songs. Admittedly, some iPods will have problems, as with any tech device, but the vast majority don't. Those who have problems always outshout those who don't. Just as Mac OS has problems like Windows, you just don't hear about them nearly as much because less people use it.

  42. 42. anonymous

    Say it ain't so Apple,

    You mean somewhere on the campus of Duke university a student has a broken iPod. This is a travesty. How dare Apple sell millions of iPods without advertising the fact that somewhere, someday, one of them could break.

    THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!!

    And while we are on the topic, I think Apple is being highly irresponsible in allowing so many students to use their iPods for noneducational purposes. I think Apple should IMMEDIATELY disable the ability of the iPod to play music and games. They could start by programming it to distinguish between music and speech so they could have it delete all music (they would also have to come up with a way of exempting educational music, of course).

    Alternately, they could simply have an iEnforcer accompany each iPod. The iEnforcer being a burly guy with a stick who would whack the student if they attempted to use their iPod for non educational purposes.

    Come on Apple, get on the ball

  43. 43. Sir William Gates

    Hahahahahaha! iPod flawed? Good one!

    Oh, you were serious?

    Sheesh, typical British Fleet Street crapola. Hey, if you're going to trash something, dredge up some statistically significant stuff, not this "let's see how many hits we can bring to our website with outrageous claims" junk you a foisting on the public here.

  44. 44. Sondjata Olatunji

    This is a rather sad article for a number of reasons but I'll take the most egregious one to task: Battery life.

    I have seen many many people discuss the "abysmal" battery life of the iPod. I will admit off the bat that there are stronger batteries on the market that Apple could use, but that does not excuse what is the source of most problems with battery life on iPods. The first and most egregiosu problem is the habit that people have of running the battery right down. It is known, at least by tech people, that repeatedly draining a Lithium-Ion battery is a recipie for a soon dead battery in short order. Secondly people have the habit of exposing the player to extreme temperatures. I learned this the hard way myself when I killed my iPod's battery within 3 months of purchase. The reason it died was that I had it sitting out in my car at below freezing temperatures, something the user manual states is out of spec. Once I bought an in car charger, which bypasses the battery to run the iPod, I realized a battery life going on over a year. I also do not run down the battery if I can help it.

    It is clear that this "study" did nothing to find out why the batteries failed so quickly, the assumption being that users can't possibly be improperly using and caring for their iPods. No, it must be the fault of Apple.

    Of course, outlets such as Best Buy in the US are too busy trying to get thier customers to purchase the extended warranty to take the time out to inform the purchaser of a $300 unit of it's proper use. Yet they do find time to inform purchasers of cell phones on the proper care of it's batteries.

  45. 45. anonymous

    I've owned two iPods - a 30 GB model and an 60 GB iPod photo.

    Neither have given me trouble - the 30 GB's battery life has diminished but that's to be expected after a few years use.

    I don't think the iPod shuffle has hurt the brand name - while I don't own one I know many who do (and many more who want one). They can't say enough good things about it.

    Last, from my experience at having tried other mp3 players, the iPod (and iTunes) is the easiest and most intuitive to use. Plug an iPod in and it just works.

  46. 46. Ann Marie

    If they are trying to sell shuffles, how come it took me weeks to buy one, since they were sold out everywhere I went?

  47. 47. squishy

    Unbelievable. 1 to 4 problems & quality is bad across the board. I thought I was going to see statistics. What a bunch of nonsense. I guess we can pretty much say the Wintel platform is pretty much hammered sh** using your methods of deduction. Brilliant. Where can I sign up for a job writing for this site? It seems like an easy way to collect a check.

  48. 48. anonymous

    Slow news day?

  49. 49. NYC Person

    Yawn. My wife and I love our iPods (1 Pod, 2 Minis) and even after 2 years the batteries/click wheels are working great. Every product has flaws and EVERY website/company/pundit/etc is desperately trying to pull down a little more popularity by either bashing or blessing the iPod. Silicon.com is no different.

  50. 50. Fred Nickerson

    I'm not Apple cultist, but this article read like a conclusion in search of a point. A couple of things. First, all high tech problems have a failure rate. What makes the product stick is how the manufacturer deals with it and, in this regard, Apple has been exemplary. That's why the iPod is beloved, and why Apple's fortunes (and public image) continue to improve. Second, we have five iPods in our household. We had a problem with one, and it was pleasantly and promptly replaced with a brand new one after 6 months of use. What a silly little article.

  51. 51. Brian Ford

    Simply put, the article is a load of crap. I don't know of anyone "personally" who owns an iPod who is anything but ecstatic about their purchase. Many of these people are still on 1st Gen iPods.

    (Just about every complaint I've ever heard is in articles like this, which always cite people I've never met and never seem to meet in real life.)

    My other issue is that the article asserts that the iPod Shuffle has hurt the brand. I absolutely LOVE my iPod shuffle and, if anything, it's made me realize that I might not need a full-blown iPod or iPod mini.

    Your article exhibits all the classic signs of a troll... even going so far as to invite anger from those of us (gasp) who enjoy our product. I'm not sure what your have against the iPod (or Apple in general) but it's clear that you've something to gain from this negative article. (Pay from a rival company, perhaps?)

    Nice try... the iPod isn't going anywhere.

  52. 52. Leflyman

    Is the Silicon.com love affair over? CNET's unloved UK News maker plagued by poorly researched articles and a damaged brain...

    The first signs have started to emerge this week that CNET's super-lame must-miss Silicon.com web site is, well, how can we put it - actually trolling for readers.

  53. 53. Paul Haines

    Who pays you guys to dish Apple?

  54. 54. Mac T. User

    Wow, this article had very few facts and lots of unfounded pronouncements. I can see Steve Jobs shivering in his boots now...

    Come on Bill Gates, 'fess up. You wrote this, not some "independent journalist."

  55. 55. Gary Toews

    Let's get this straight. You think that the iPod industry is going down the toilet because Duke University was stupid enough to buy all its freshmen iPods? Oh yes, that coupled with you own research team's findings and the fact that Apple, for once, has enough supply on hand to supply its retail channel means that the iPod is crap and the Apple Brand has lost its charm. Well, it looks like you are digging a little too far to MAKE this a story. You are trolling for hits by uttering ill conceived gibberish. Try some real journalism next time. It'll look a little better on you.

    Gary

  56. 56. anonymous

    I personally has own and 1st generation and the 4th generation iPod... the 4th gen doesn't has any problem since I bought it last year (10 months ago) and the 1st gen was bought almost 4 years ago and was replace once for HD problem and now still running and the battery was still working, not as good as it was new (3 to 4 hours). The new 4th gen was still able to play for around 8 to 10 hours... my wife has an iPod mini pink 4G (9 months ago) never has any problem will the click wheel or battery play time... overall I'm happy with all the iPod we have in the family...

  57. 57. Jim

    Hmm...I purchased two 20Gb fourth-gen iPods for me and my son over a year ago, and a 4Gb mini for my wife a few months later and they've been going strong with absolutely no problems whatsoever. And they've become an integral part of all of our music listening experiences.

    My son just got back from a six-month backpacking jaunt in New Zealand, and the iPod worked like a champ and kept him in tunes when he had no money and very little else in the way of entertainment.

    Both the 20Gb models still get 6-8 hours on a battery charge, and the mini easily gets 8 hours.

    So rather than basing a rather alarmist article on embarassingly minimal anecdotal evidence, why don't you do a little journalism and actually go out and take a statistically valid sample?

    Just a thought.

  58. 58. anonymous

    Claiming that only ~1/3 of Duke students using their iPods for educational purposes is meaningless. Out of the box, the iPod has NO recording functionality. It is not a recording device. It is also not an educational aid. One of the few situations where the iPod (out of the box) IS an educational device is in the study of music. (Duke University is not a music school)

    Also, there is no guarantee that professors at Duke are going to provide course material in iPod compatible format. Given these factors, it is likely difficult to impossible for many students to find an educational application of their 'pods. I'm rather surprised 1/3 of them managed to apply it to their studies.

  59. 59. anonymous

    What a heap of garbage. This is corporate underwritten journalism at it's very worst (pretend not to notice those Microsoft Ads, everyone)! If this is where CNET is headed, we might as well start looking elsewhere for journalism with some integrity still at least intended to be in it. For the anonymous flunkie who wrote it, I shake my head in disgust. For the editors and journalistic folk who actually deemed it worthy for publishing, shame, shame, shame!! This is toadying at the lowest order, CNET and clan. You lost my faith, and I'm dropping my RSS link to your RSS feed tonight. I'll stop wasting my time with your sham now, and look elsewhere for Tech news that really IS news.

  60. 60. anonymous

    What were you guys doing to those iPods? I have had one for a year and a half and my wife has had a mini for a year. No problems with either of them and the battery life is still good. I use mine everyday.
    What really makes the iPod shine is its interface. Both it's butt simple OS and its beautiful integration with iTunes. I tried helping afriend with another HD based player. She had gotten it over a year ago and hadn't figured it out. She didn't have the documentation with but I figured "how hard could it be right?" I could not make heads or tails of it. Contrast that to the iPod which is completely intuitive. So as soon as other companies put a compelling system together, the iPod will be threatened but until then, it will reign.

  61. 61. George

    Silicom.com go get your Zen. Haha. Have fun. Buhbye!

  62. 62. anonymous

    Fishing for controversy to drum up some traffic? I'm sure the Mac faithful won't let you down.

    However, please try to write a real story with a tangible issue in the future. Apple's quality and support are still #1 by a long shot. And brand loyalty is as high as ever.

  63. 63. Eddy

    silly article ..

    apple survived a massive battery backlash 2 years ago .. the shuffle may be a little bit lack-lustre but its price point puts it in a different vertical. my ipod has worked flawlessly for over year .. and so have millions more ..

    is there room for a new king? .. sure .. but its going to take some innovation and a little marketing smarts .. not the feature bloat that plagues almost every other player ..

    techy folks don't understand that the masses are not all that interested in features and specifications .. the masses want something that has been widely adopted .. tried and true.

    at this point apple has shifted its attention away from the techy croud and set their sites on something else, something bigger. it might take them a couple tries to get it right (shuffle generation 3 ?) ...

    remember it took them a few tries (and a few years) to convince the early adopters that ipod was the way to go in the first place. give them some time.

    and in the mean time if someone can come along with something better all the power to them. but feature BLOAT != a better player.

  64. 64. anonymous

    You have to be kidding right?

    I have purchased 2 iPod's, one mini, and one shuffle for my family, without any of the problems you mentioned. Including a 10GB second generation iPod, and a 15GB third generation iPod.

    I guess you figure that by bashing the king you have a better chance of someone noticing your site? Because there is little value in the story itself.

  65. 65. Mac

    I guess when you are successful it is the media's role to focus on any chink in the armor. Yes...you did have some problems, however I have 4 iPods (mini, 10 3rdGen, 20 3rdGen, 30 3rdGen) with some degradation in battery life on the non-mini ones. But they are all over 2 years old and no other issues. So if I extrapolate out my experiences and broadcast them all over the world the iPodians will see the good side.

    What are some of the good times that you have had with your iPods? My daughter and I posted our pics on iPodLounge from a trip, I have listened to countless books and radio shows from Audible that I rarely have time to focus on so I utilize free driving time, my wife having a great time learning a new thing about how to use her iBook and iPod.

    Just have some fun for once and quit beiing so damn negative all the time. People in the media business sure need some drugs to get out of that constant state of depression you live in.

    Have a nice day!

  66. 66. anonymous

    I keep reading about these iPod failures, and yet after meeting scores of individual iPod users I have yet to meet one who has actually experienced the problems described here. This makes me wonder about the "vocal minority" phenomenon and what number of iPods, as a percentage of units sold, is problematic. Also I have to wonder what are the differences in usage that apparently lead some to fail and many more to play for years with no problems whatsoever. My 2nd Gen 20 GB iPod gets literally daily usage for anywhere between 2 and 12 hours. I have had no noticeable degredation in battery life, or functionality.

  67. 67. Andrew Clark

    Broken "Journalists" the real problem. Gosh, I don't even write for an industry paper yet I was able to find out quickly enough that the story about the Shuffle inventory "glut" was reported the next day as a mis-reading of the situation. Check-out Morgan Stanley's analysis for goodness sake - it's not that difficult to dig a little deeper if you care to do something other be another voice in the media echo chamber. As for the experience on broken thumbwheels - perhaps your reporters actual hands are as ham-handed as their reporting. A little more research into whether these problems are showing up on discussion groups etc. would have been far more illuminating for those of us who have never had a single problem with their iPods for over 3 years now and who were not able to find a slew of similar reports on either Apple's or other sites. As for the battery issue, well there are so many 3rd party solutions for that now - including places that will replace it for you by return mail - I wish it were as simple to swap-out the batteries on my computer uninterruptable power supplies where it seems to be cheaper to buy a new one and recycle the old one instead. Overall, you need to concentrate better on the content and less on "sexy" headlines that are unfounded.

  68. 68. Marc

    Looks to me like your scrambling for content. The iPod is not running out of steam the reporting on it is. You are just desperately looking for a new iPod angle. My first gen 5Gb iPod is still going. The battery is weaker then it used to be in december 2001 though.

  69. 69. anonymous

    Um, lame.

  70. 70. C.O.

    Yeah, I hear Dell, Gateway, Sony, and HP all make electronic equipment that never breaks and use battery cells with infinite amounts of charge cycles.

  71. 71. Henry Blackman

    I don't believe this is the first signs of a "backlash" toward Apple iPod. I'm on my 4th iPod, and I've never had a problem. In fact my 1st Gen iPod (5GB) is still working, original battery and all! That's 4 years on - a lot longer than the sweeping generalisation that this article states.

    It could be that this is yet another sign of silicon.com (CNet) journalists not understanding that while iPod isn't perfect, it's the simplest to use, and integration with iTunes is the critical key.

    CNet "journalists" have always been sour toward Apple, for whatever reason (?!) and this is yet another example of this rather partisan "reporting". No matter how good any Apple technology is, CNet can never give it the credit that is due, and yet they rain compliments on Microsoft software.

  72. 72. anonymous

    Comments with regard to Duke University are actually quite uninformed. Any University will always try to improve Learning and Teaching in the organisation, and Duke have tried to do this with iPod.

    The very fact that 1/3 of the users are using it for Learning and Teaching is absolute success. Frankly any kind of success like that within 2 years of it being introduced should be commended.

    This isn't about students choosing their University on the "free" iPod (I can only suspect that most freshmen will arrive already owning an iPod anyway), but about them driving forward the possibilities of learning in the 21st Century. Perhaps CNet journalists should get their education from somewhere like Duke to recognise the importance of this!

  73. 73. anonymous

    THIS IS A BUNCH OF BS. APPLE IS ON TOP OF ITS GAME AND GOING MUCH HIGHER!
    WHO PAYED YOU TO WRITE THIS STUPID ARTICLE?

  74. 74. Roger Jenkins

    How could anyone trust a article that has a Microsoft ad right beside it and damns APPLE and there products?

    The iPod is a huge hit and the Apple Store commands the plurality of the digital download market.

    I have dozens of friends who own iPods as do I. Mine is over a year old without a single problem of any kind. I have not heard of any of my friends complaing at all about there iPods either.

    True, the thrill may have worn off and now mine is simply a wonderful part of my life, but all the problems that your refer to are plain "bull"!

    Get some accurate data and stop downcasting the iPod. Its simply fabulous!

    [Ed note: Tell you what then Roger, how's about we swap iPods for a while and see how you get on with mine, its one hour battery life and knackered click wheel. And take those blinkers off - even Apple have finally owned up to the battery problems with the iPod]

  75. 75. anonymous

    It might be that ths article is right about a change in sentiment that seems to be generally taking place. But the evidence you're giving is either local, irrelevant, or based on guesswork.

    The article hurts the Silicon.com brand worse than it does the iPod brand.

  76. 76. Phong Le

    It's actually the beginning of sensational iPod journalism. Once there is nothing else to say about the iPod, news outlets starts to assign staff writers to come up with an "angle" story. This is evident in the title of the piece. Any news article whose title is a question is not a news article at all. [ED Note: Hence it is a leader, otherwise known in the publishing industry as a daily opinion piece where a publication makes a stand on an issue]. Rather, it is a piece designed and written to provoke conversation and fill up space. Notice how the article does not answer the question in the title, but rather just give personal anecdotes that suggests the affirmative. There is no way the reader can tell if these anecdotes are true or just made up. This is shabby journalism and the the editors of silicon.com should be ashamed of themselves for allowing it to perpetuate.

  77. 77. anonymous

    I absolutely agree with the comments on iPOD reliability and battery life. Great image - product just not up to it. My son changed to a Creative Zen 20gb and it's built to last plus 20 hours battery life - great product - not as sexy looking as the ipod but good robust styling and he wants to listen to music not stare at it.

  78. 78. anonymous

    To Roger Jenkins who is a teacher: - Rog, the "there" as in "Apple and there products" should actually be "their". Enough said.

  79. 79. Dave King

    I've had my 30Gb ipod for 3 years now and still have the same battery. After years of travelling, carting LP's, then cassettes, then CD's, I still believe that the ipod is one of the best inventions ever. I use it in the house, in the car, in the office etc ...

  80. 80. Dave Stephens

    Is THE iPod love affair over?

    Not at all.

    However, YOUR iPod love affair IS.

    For the rest of us, until something significantly better comes along, most of us will stick with the amazing iPod, a marriage of software and hardware creating a beautiful harmony of technology and ergonomics

  81. 81. st3f

    Has journalism died at silicon.com? I read a few articles a while back and one today. Based on this feel that the brand has been cheapened by sensational headlines unsupported by the articles and by wild claims unsupported by evidence.

  82. 82. Jeff Drake

    I don’t have an iPod, but I can’t see myself ever wasting my money on an MP3 player unless it was part of an iPod. I know Apple only really advertises the iPod’s music and photo abilities, but what about the included video games? What about the built-in PIM? What about the fact that I can boot my computer from it? The fact of the matter is that the iPod doesn’t have any competition. IMHO, the only reason the iPod is promoted as an MP3 player is because there’s no single word to describe what it actually is, bseides “iPod”—which, of course, doesn’t help anything.

    You find me another audio player/video game/PIM/bootable Firewire hard drive with the same ease of use as an iPod for less than the price of an iPod, and I’ll probably get one; but until then, Apple still has a monopoly on the iPod market, and I’m not sure that’s ever going to change.

  83. 83. anonymous

    Hmm.

    It seems the apple mob are happy bunnies with this article.
    considering how they get upset about the anti apple articles they still come back for more. Plenty of anti MS articles to go with them so why cry about it.

    I notice that none of the apple mob who have had problems have admitted it (although i have not read all the readers comments).

    From my experience every apple product i have ever used has had a problem.

  84. 84. Pete Ender

    Don't pay. Sue them.

    There is no way you should pay £140 for repair on a previous acknowledged fault, out of warranty or not. Go to your nearest County Court, pay your fixed fee and sue them for defective item under the Sale of Goods Act. It's not fit for purpose and you don't need a lawyer. Come on, you're supposed to be journalists - why don't you find this stuff out?

    As for "Students don't record lectures shock probe" ummm, it's not exactly news, is it? Are you sure only one person recorded it then got blackmailed into giving copies to the others, the traditional way?

    Anyway, they were American students. How much recording does "God created the world in 7 days then we corrected his mistakes" take?

  85. 85. Pete Ender

    Microsoft just wish!!

    Did anyone ever defend MS products like this? Ever?

  86. 86. anonymous

    What are you talking about? Is this real reporting? Good god, stop reading blogs and trying to synthesize something...spend some real time looking at something original.

  87. 87. Geoff

    What is it with all the Editorial comments to the reader comments? I've been a subscriber to silicon.com for a number of years and for the most part it's been really good. However, it seems whoever is in charge now is no longer reporting on technology. Instead, they are bating subscribers with lame articles then sitting back, waiting for the fur to fly and digging in with comments. Ed Note? Give us a break, Troll note more like... Go on put a note in this one too then congratulate yourself on a job well done. Or better still, go and report on something with a bit more substance.

    Anyway, my iPod is great, I've had it for two and a half years now. Likewise, my Mac Powerbook and Windows desktop both work perfectly, with no problems at all. I like Windows, I also like Mac OS X. They both have good and bad points.

    I don't think I could bring myself to buy a Zen Creative player. From what I've seen in store, they just look like they're trying to be copycat iPods.

  88. 88. anonymous

    I have never had a problem with my 1st generation iPod I bought in November of 2001. Also have had no problem with my new iPod Photo. Out of all of my friends with them (and being at a large university I know a ton of people with them) none have had a single issue. My earbuds do however get worn out and need replacing, but that always happens. One thing that always prevents damage is using a case...

  89. 89. anonymous

    Let me get this straight...you work for a site called silicon.com and you bought version 1.0 of the mini? First time with a 12 hr battery, first design with the "click wheel", first smaller-form factor.

    Surely you've heard the adage "Never buy version 1.0 of ANYTHING"? It holds no matter what company you're talking about.

  90. 90. Pablo

    IPods are lame. People without a measure of cool themselves jumped on the IPod wagon to try and present themselves as 'happening'.

    Now where's my Walkman...

  91. 91. Ant Craven

    It must have taken all of 5 minutes to research that story. I don't know about the Ipod brand being cheapened - but articles like this certainly cheapen the "Silicon.com" brand !

  92. 92. Bruce Boomstick

    I've had a 40Gb for nearly a year. I've had no problems, the click wheel is fine and the battery life is still as good as ever. It's loaded with both types of music (rock and metal) and consistantly delivers it to places it's needed most.

    My wife also has 40Gb and that is working very well too (unfortunatley it's loaded with horrible new romantic s**t, which can hardly be considered apples fault).

    My mate has 4gb and that's working well too - no complaints on any front.

    This clearly outweighs the experience of silicon and is a study conducted with equally scientific methods.

    Having now restored Apples brand image so utterly tarnished by the experiences of your journos I'm now going to invent a machine that turns garbage into gasoline.

  93. 93. anonymous

    I have just bought a Creative MuVo N200 1GB (£89 - Amazon) which includes FM radio, LCD screen, voice recorder and you don't HAVE to listen to music in shuffle mode as you do on the Apple shuffle. Apple was overpriced, under-featured and short on capacity. I'm happy to join the 'uncool' gang if it means not getting ripped off.

  94. 94. Jaz Singh

    typical - IT people always find some small excuse to have a dig at Apple. grow up and get a decent computer - Apple is the future!!

  95. 95. Kevin Worrall

    I agree with the earlier comment that the examples in this article represent a cross section of the authors personal experience and that it is not representative of the real picture. I agree there are lots of owners out there with frustrating problems although I don't think that has cheapened the brand and I don't think it represents the majority.

    In my department of the company I work for there are 13 iPod owners that I know of, including 3 mini's, a shuttle and an iPod photo. As far as I know we are all really pleased with them and haven't had any massive problems as yet.

    As for the shuttle detracting from the brand, I think the shuttle is a different product. I wouldn't find an shuffle useful because I want the larger storage and an interface, but it doesn't make the brand less cool. Finally I realise the author is just asking the question as to whether this is the first wave of a backlash.

    People around me are still buying them and I think it will perhaps be more the case that sales will drop because most people who want an MP3 player have bought one already not because of a backlash.

  96. 96. Mouly

    I don't about the effect of this article on iPod, but definetly it is going to affect the credibility of other articles in silicon.com

  97. 97. Steve Kayner

    Mine's still works great. It's a little scratched, but that's because I use it a lot and it's two years old.

  98. 98. Ronald Dumsfeld FBI

    I don't have an iPod but I've been considering getting one and now that I've read this article I definitely will. I'm glad that yours went wrong because that lessens the probability that mine will if, as you say in your highly scientific article, they are prone to battery problems and thumbwheel breakages. Then again, maybe you are just hamfisted and accident prone.

    Word of advice: try looking at your own quality-control problems before you criticise Apple's.

  99. 99. Dave

    Go back to writing on your blog it's more fitting of this trash talk. My brother has several iPods all of them work perfectly for several years. My wife’s first iPod lasted 1.5 years until she broke it (she breaks everything) Her new one is almost 2 years old since I told her if she broke this one she would have to buy the next one herself. I have one of the first to ever come out the 5 gig with the wheel that moves and it was owned by my brother and now I still use it same battery. All rechargeable batteries finally die but if you over charge them often they will burn out sooner. All the problems I have seen are user error. I do desktop support in the NYC area any problem I have ever seen has been on Windows and user error.

  100. 100. Minnie the Minx

    I have no gripe with Apple per se - I just cannot believe how many people have fallen for style over content. When buying my mp3 player I chose iRiver as it was better sound quality, better battery life and allows you to play a wider range of file formats. Oh, and it was cheaper too.

    I agree that the article was poorly written in that no evidence was provided to support the claims, but the fact is that iPod is not, nor was it ever, the best mp3 player.

  101. 101. Anon

    To Minnie the Minx: Better sound quality doesn't come into it. If you so desire you can put 44.1Khz CD quality WAV or AIF files on the iPod. OK, you're going to get less music on, but it's still an option.

  102. 102. n/a

    Am I the only one that thinks maybe the guy's got a point and that the Apple nuts are getting a little hot under the collar, like they always do, for no good reason? Relax folks. Apple's good but it ain't perfect.

    Don't you think if you'd had the journalist's experience with the iPod you wouldn't be so happy either? The only difference between you moaning to your pals and him having a moan on silicon.com is that it'll get to more people this way.

    And maybe that'll mean Apple will actually listen to its customers for a change.

  103. 103. Steve Jobs

    Umm, has anyone noticed this is one bloke's opinion, not a news piece?

    If 3 ipods aren't the end of the world or Apple's evil empire, why are you guys ranting on like it is?

  104. 104. anonymous

    I have one other question - why is anyone who has an Ipod considered an Apple Nut?

    I don't have an apple computer and would be unlikely to have one. I have an Ipod and love it. Is it better or worse than a competive player - to be honest I don't know. Am I happy with it - Yes, would I change it No. If it broke would I buy another, Yes.

    I'm not an apple nut, I'm not a trendy (look at what's on my pod to verify that). It just looks like Silicon just want to stir things up a bit (must be a slow tech news day).

  105. 105. Mark Hartman

    A previous poster asked:
    ---
    Am I the only one that thinks maybe the guy's got a point and that the Apple nuts are getting a little hot under the collar, like they always do, for no good reason?
    ---
    We "Apple nuts" have a very good reason for getting "hot under the collar" about this article:

    It's a hit piece disguised as journalism. CNET and its affiliates (including silicon.com) have a consistent tendency to spin almost any news about Apple the worst way possible. Even the "Apple's service can't be faulted" line was buried in a rant about how he'd expect a player to last more than six months (without, of course, letting us know just what kind of abuse it had been through).

    The writers of this article at silicon.com have ignored their journalistic responsibilities. If they want to label this as an opinion piece, that's fine; but to misrepresent their limited facts as being an indicator of the world at large is, at best, irresponsible.

  106. 106. Buster

    What in hell do you mean by knackered click wheel? Were you bashing it? Dropped it on the floor? Did you put it in a backpack here it continually got whacked by things bunping into it? How much of it was due to that journalist's (and I use that word lightly) misuse? As with ALL electronics, things are not indestructible and proper care should be taken. I would assume, after assessing the care with which you researched your article, that the same level of care was applied to those iPods. And as n earlier poster wrote....why don't you insert one of your smarmy Editorial notes in this message. It makes you look intelligent...NOT!

  107. 107. The only Smart one

    I totally agree with this article, It is clear to see that the iPod was only another MP3 player that was treated well with marketing - Again thriving off the ideas of others.

    This is exactly the same as how Windows started - Stealing the idea from Apple and then marketing it like hell. Now windows is the single most popular OS in the world, despite the fact that is has the poorest security and looks like a wet dog in the eye of rival OS'

    The iPod is not constructed well at all - The back looks like a butcherboard 3 minutes out of the box and the battery dies prematurely.

    The iPod however thrives on the idiocy of the General public, much in the manner that the Windows OS does: People hear about it from others and think 'oh if most people use it, it must be good!' and run out to buy it. Others are nothing more than incapable to differentiate between technology so they go for the simplest looking thing to complement their intelligence.

    Bill Gates said it best, "the success of the iPod is not sustainable".

  108. 108. anonymous

    This is a poorly written article. I don't know how your data points actually supports your purposely inflammatory headline.

    The Duke iPod experiment was badly designed. No matter how great the technology is, without faculty participation, you will have less than optimal results. You obviously did not read past the first few paragraphs of their report. Duke's problems are a microcosm with what is wrong with the use of technology in education for the sake of "doing something with technology".

    The click wheel/battery/repair issue has a small kernal of truth -- I guess, if there was any actual data to support assertions that the iPod is somehow more failure prone than it's competitors. At one point, there is the implication that because a unnamed writer replaced their failed iPod with a Creative Lab Zen, that somehow the Zen is better. It is a juxaposition of language that does not hold together logically.

    Plus -- the article ignores the major reason why people buy an iPod -- the desktop software. iTunes is simply much better than what other vendors supply. It is something that even manufacturers like Creative Labs don't get.

    Your article falls into the same trap as Tabloid articles -- inflammatory headlines, little substance. Did you get a kickback from Microsoft via their "Play for Sure" campaign?

  109. 109. Monte Melugin

    What does the failure of the Duke's iPod program have anything to do with Apple's quality control? The two have no bearing on one another. Personally, I thought it was a stupid idea. You cannot hand out MP3 players to college freshman (especially not a pop-cultural icon like the iPod) and expect them to be used in a manner in which they weren't designed for. However, the program's failure in no way reflects the iPod's popularity or it's quality. There's no correlation here.

    Second, you cannot make conclusions about the iPod's quality based solely on the personal experiences of the nearest people around you, nor can you make conclusions based on online forums. The personal experiences of you and your colleagues represents only a small portion of the population of iPod owners. Also, posts in online forums are largely comprised of people who are experiencing problems.

    Your article was founded on false statistics and unrelated facts.

  110. 110. anonymous

    Sitting on a load of iPods? Perhaps silcon.com doesn't read too much...

    http://www.macobserver.com/stockwatch/2005/06/16.1.shtml

  111. 111. Malcolm Wilson

    Ouch!! You blokes at Silicon must put on a tin hat every time you say anything the slightest bit detrimental about an Apple product.
    I love Apples and I love BMWs and either of them could (and do) go wrong sometimes.
    Let's keep our perspective everyone - overall Apple's products kick ass and that's good enough for me.

  112. 112. anonymous

    Silicon.com hides behind diffuse identity... it must really fear a reader backlash and seeks to protect the real author of the article by giving an effectively anonymous by line of By Silicon.com.

    How can you trust a story that won't identify its source?
    [Ed Note: All silicon.com leaders go under the byline 'silicon.com' as it is our daily opinion piece that reflects the voice of the publication. You'll find the same in any other print or online publication.]

  113. 113. tmr

    Can I just defend silicon.com a little bit? Let's not forget that they have often been quite happy to have a pop at MS and BG, and have often been quite flattering about Jobs and Apple.

    I never wanted an iPod ... but now I do! Any product that inspires the loyalty and passion I have just read is a must have. This was better than any number of 'expert' reviews.

    Is the love affair over? The answer is clearly a resounding negative --- an answer which Silicon have published along with their article, leading to a textual total which is extraordinarily favourable to Apple. Not all publishers are prepared to give so much airtime to their critics that their original opinion is overturned.

    Thanks to them, and thanks to you, one more iPod is getting bought tomorrow.

  114. 114. anonymous

    Forget about the headphones, iPods are great!

    As an owner of a 40GB iPod who has long since upgraded to some Sennheiser headphones, I don't know what all the fuss is about when people complain about iPods.

    I have purchased a MP3 playing watch, and MP3 recording and playing device from iRiver AND a 40 GB iPod and on a daily basis... the iPod is the one I use, because it works, is easy to navigate, and sounds great.

    I have also purchased a 1GB iPod Shuffle for my partner, who live and loves it!

    I have experienced no battery issues and have had no click wheels to replace, so I can only suggest that (from my experience) this article is a bunch of rubbish.

    The next time you guys decide to complain about current fads, trends and popular products - you might try a survey instead of the experience of one individual...

  115. 115. anonymous

    Explaining: Silicon.com part of the CNET family...

    CNET is well known for hit pieces on Apple and generally negative coverage without substantial proof or journalistic quality. This is well-known in the online community that follows CNET and Apple.

    There... now you know.

  116. 116. M G

    Silicon.com has successfully gone and taken a dump on a web page, which has, in turn, taken a dump on their credibility. Congratulations, you idiots. I can print this out and have patterning in my toilet paper.

    You should seriously be ashamed of yourselves for allowing this to go live.

    Actually, I'd like to be able to confirm this point:

    <<Within six months of purchase, all three iPod minis had been sent back to Apple because of dead batteries and knackered click wheels.>>

    How about you stop talking in generalities and actually post the serial numbers of the iPod minis you sent back? I have a feeling that you're lying. [Ed Note: Yes you must be right, because nothing could possibly ever go wrong with an Apple product could it?]

  117. 117. M G

    Oh, and one more thing. You post in your response:

    <<silicon.com retain the right to edit or delete any reader comments considered libellous or abusive.>>

    Then, it would be safe to say that the Apple shareholders retain the right to edit or delete any articles you write that are considered libellous or abusive.

    I point to the damaged brand comment at the beginning of the article as exhibit A. You provided NOTHING to substantiate that.

  118. 118. anonymous

    Bogus.

  119. 119. Nero

    On the contrary, your writing that article that tries to be cool by hating on the iPod only means that Apple still has a hit on their hands, just waiting to be updated so it can sell some more.

    The only thing that I hate more than people who strive to be the mainstream are people who strive to hate the mainstream.

    Oh, and on top of that, this article provides no solid evidence that anyone cares less about the iPod, though in my opinion, the fad is lessened at the moment, at least until Apple releases another upgrade like the mini was to the regular.

  120. 120. Alan Levy

    RE: editorial comment

    "Then you point to anecdotal evidence of three equipment failures all of which were covered under warranty (with no mention of anything but prompt, easy customer service--a factor in people's perception of a product's value) followed by one unit's additional failure. [ED NOTE - So which bit of "The service from Apple can't be faulted" line from the piece didn't you understand Alan?]"


    Editor: I believe you misinterpreted what I was trying to say regarding service. I was trying to point out that your writer reported receiving good customer service yet still maintained that the product was losing value because it had failed. Prompt, courteous replacement would normally maintain or even enhance a product's value yet your writer chose to use that experience to show that the brand was losing value.

    I can see how my words could be misinterpreted in the way that you indicated.

    I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my post. However, I would have been more impressed had you attempted to refute my larger argument that the article was an extremely poorly researched piece of hack journalism. But perhaps that's expecting a bit too much.

  121. 121. Jimmy Smith

    I wish you weren't a liar.
    By the way, how much do you get paid by creative?

  122. 122. anonymous

    I recommend that you guys be let go from your jobs. Also, despite the fact that I came to the site to what the deal with this story was, I didn't even briefly look any of your ads, much less click through. I hardly doubt that the integrity of your site is worth a poorly formed argument and a few lousy ad click throughs.

    Really, is anybody going to trust buying something through a site that cant even report facts.

    Please "-ed note". But dont expect a response

  123. 123. B.K.

    Hmmm... It will be hard to consider silicon.com a reliable source of news and information after this article.

  124. 124. Rikk David

    Why do you even bother? Really. It's unimaginable that you have even an ounce of unbiased opinion in your brain. Is it that offensive to you that Apple actually makes a product that a lot of people like?

    What exactly was wrong with the PRODUCT in the Duke University experiment? Using that as your prime example makes no sense at all... in fact, neither do you.

  125. 125. anonymous

    I got an 20gb iPod as an Xmas present in December 03. It failed on Boxing Day. The Dublin call centre did not open until mid-January - new systems! - it was finally returned fixed early February. I wrote to the UK MD who did not have the courtesy to respond. The itunes software is poor. As soon as the Sony 30gb is released here my iPod will be on eBay.

  126. 126. nik

    The UPS guy told me he's picking up 'loads of these things' and still waiting after a week for the service centre to do more than acknowledge receipt - perhaps they're busy?
    One daily use since Xmas has knackered battery, t'other seems ok but much less usage. Still one of the best designs, audio quality but either make the batteries better or reduce cost of replacement.

  127. 127. anonymous

    If Apple replaced your ipods, then the new ones start with a new guarantee and, anyway, what the hell are you doing to them to break them that quickly? Moron.

    [Ed Note: Then why do we have an email from Apple saying that Apple's own Terms and Conditions for the iPod are that the warranty on a replacement unit is valid for whichever is the longer period - either three months from the replacement date or until the end of the warranty period for the original unit. And if you don't believe us, feel free to go and ask Apple yourself - but be sure to come back and tell us what they told you.]

  128. 128. anonymous

    If you have the same problems with the iPod both times, I suggest you RTFM - as you clearly are incapable using the ipod.

    This is the type of bogus journalism that has kept Microsoft where it is!

  129. 129. Concerned Human

    APPLE SHEEP BLEETING!

    Why can’t you tunnel visioned apple fans ever except any kind of criticism against your beloved product, even when Apple themselves have admitted the problem. I know that there is absolutely no point in making this comment because you are all so mind numbingly ignorant, but it is just so frustrating that people like you exist in our world! You are the kind of blind sheep who put the rest of our lives in jeopardy by voting for people like Bush just because they own an IPod and that means they must be ok then don’t it!!!!

    PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE GET SOME COMMON SENSE!!!

    An IPod is just an overhyped, overpriced, cheaply made MP3 player which has grabbed the attention of all you "eye candy" bleeters out there! There are much more affordable and better made mp3 players available.

    Besides, why are you all so obsessed with mp3 players anyway?
    1. Do you not have a stereo in your car?
    2. Do you not have a Hi Fi in your house?
    3. If you go out at night, do you not listen to music?
    4. When at work, are you not supposed to be "working" ???

    Let me see. That must mean between being in your house, your car and at work your existence is so poor you have to plug into an IPod to take your mind off your obviously dull existence.

    VERY SAD INDEED!

  130. 130. anonymous

    Did anyone read the Duke report? Doesn't look like a "failure" to me.
    http://www.duke.edu/ipod/

  131. 131. Henry Heron

    FISHING ANYONE??

    Any humans(PC users) fancy a quick bite? loads of fish(MAC fans) in this river to be had!

    Come on people(loosly speaking), stop being brainless fish and dont bite the wiggly worm!

    Try and see outside of your spangly transparent fish tank!(MAC)

    IT IS JUST AN MP3 PLAYER!!!!

    Theres a whole world out there, try and find it!

  132. 132. Billy Ray cYRUS

    that stuff about the shuffle damaging the ipod brand is on brand republic: http://www.brandrepublic.com/bulletins/br/article/480254/
    brand-health-check-ipod/

    wanna apologise now all those who said silicon.com made it up?

  133. 133. anonymous

    Changing an iPod battery is easy!

    Got a 3rd Gen 15Gb iPod whose battery lasted a little over a year. I purchased a replacement for $29, and it took all of about 15 minutes to install it. Granted I spent 5 minutes trying to open the case, but thats the price to pay for a seamless design. These guys are just FUD spreaders...

  134. 134. Henry Heron

    "and its all gone quiet over there...."

    as a load of upturned fish float by....

    Well spotted Billy Ray!

    Once again silicon exposes the mental age of the average MAC FAN!!

  135. 135. anonymous

    Mac lovers get your heads out of the sand (or other dark places). there have been 5 ipods owners in my family, and they have ALL had issues, and in fact multiple issues EACH. similar to the experience of the guy who wrote the article. i love the way apple products look, but it continually amazes me what a snow job apple has done on its converts. i guess it's just good marketing...

  136. 136. anonymous

    Anecdotal evidence from a few journalist wannabees doesn't amount to much. You sound like you want to be on the cutting edge, being the first to claim that the iPod is dying. Good luck. You're going to buy the Creative Zen piece of crap?!?! Please, use your journalistic talents to follow up on your wonderful experience with that second rate player!

  137. 137. anonymous

    As a Duke student who participated in the iPod project, I've grown frustrated with a number of the comments I've heard about it. First of all, none of us chose to go to Duke because of the iPod project. The incoming freshman class had already been admitted and had sent in their responses by the time Duke announced this project - and it came as quite a surprise to most of us that in addition to the opportunity to attend a top university, we were also being given a coveted device at no cost to us. It was hardly a marketing ploy on the part of the university to attract students. Second, I don't think it's fair to dismiss the project as a harebrained scheme in which administrators chose the trendiness of the iPod over the greater advantages of a PDA. The idea behind the iPod experiment was to test the potential educational value of a new technology. The educational value of PDAs had already been proven. What Duke administrators were trying to do was to determine whether an emerging and increasingly popular device could be used to benefit students in the same way that a PDA would. It was an experiment. We're a research university. That's what we do.

  138. 138. anonymous

    Great to hear some sensible coverage of the iPod for once. I tried one of these units pretty soon after it first came out, and couldn't believe what a piece of *crap* it was, given that everyone seemed to want one. The buttons on the front are a lousy design (more Apple nonsense of asthetics over functionality), and kept getting pressed when in a backpack, causing the unit to come on and drain the batteries. And the functionality was less than anything else I had used previously. Heck, you couldn't even create your own playlist on the unit! And of course you can't play your MP3 collection. Then talking with other people, everyone was experiencing similar gripes. It's amazing that Apple's marketing machine was able to sell so many of these units, because they definitely would not sell themselves otherwise. Now when people tell me they are thinking of getting an iPod, I strongly advise against it. Any of the other portable MP3 players is a much better choice.

  139. 139. John

    These "iPod Killer" and "Demise of iPod" articles are becoming as ubiquitous and "Apple is about dead" and "Apple is a goner" articles that we've read for years on end. They have about the same credibility as those articles as well.

    Personally, I've had a 3G model for about two years and have loved every minute. My only problem was that the firewire cord wore out. Cost about $20 to replace, big deal.

    For those of you with a problem like, "my lovely $400 piece of mp3 player has stop connecting to my windows pc," trying using a new USB or FW cable. I thought my iPod crapped out too but its was just the cable.

  140. 140. grtgrfx

    Personally, my 10GB iPod has lasted 3 years and the battery is down to about 4 hours charge. Considering I replace cell-phone batteries faster than that, I don't see the problem. The secret, as others pointed out, is to let the battery empty and then completely charge up on a regular basis. Partial charges are not conducive to long battery life.

    Also, I found that a bit of Windex on a paper towel does wonders for restoring the sensitivity of the click wheel. Apparently, they stop working as they gather dust and dirt.

    Now mine did stop working for a while...but nobody told me not to give the iPod a drink of water one night at bedtime. I was willing to pay $129US to replace the motherboard rather than buy a competing product.

    Oh, and the article was bullocks; a lame attempt to get eyeballs onto the site by posting an ambiguous headline sure to be picked up by other media. Sure worked, I went to read it from a link, expecting some evidence that the case was being made. I won't make that mistake again.

  141. 141. anonymous

    Wonder what you're doing with your ipods...

    My whole office has ipods (46 in total) as they were given to us duirng christmas... not one of them has been faulty. Intersting isn't it. Makes me wonder what the team at silicon.com does to their ipods to have them destroyed in so little time, perhaps the money invested by Creative to push their Zen convinced you to give them a few heavy drops?

    Over 70% of the market agrees that ipod is better, next time provide facts.

  142. 142. Me Brain

    Nice non-story.

    Guess you slept through your logic class.

  143. 143. Tom

    yes this is the saddest article I have bothered to read in awhile. Nice research on your comments. Three iPods or something. If you just want to say you have no Apple stock go right ahead. Hope you can find a job writting articles as selfles as this non researched pile of poo.

  144. 144. Marty

    I was having a discussion about this with some friends over the weekend and after discussing the pros and cons of an iPod, the one guy who was thinking of buying one has decided against it. Personally, I have a Phillips HDD player and this allows me to connect to multiple PC's. The feature alone makes this better than the iPod as I have two computers (Work and Home)and if I want to transfer music from either one, I can. As both computers and the mp3 player is mine, I believe that this is my prerogative. Furthermore I am not restricted to websites to buy music. Open standards and competition is what we need to continue to advance and innovate. Apple is not providing this to consumers.

    Besides, mine is shiny and black! Not plastic and white (or floral)

  145. 145. anonymous

    Good article, too bad you will just get flamed by d*ckhead crapple fanboys.

  146. 146. Chris Berkley

    it's about time people saw the ipod for what it really is--an overhyped, over-priced, and under-featured piece of white plastic with a *shiny metal back*

    get over it people...it's just a DAP...

  147. 147. anonymous

    go buy an iriver h320 INTERNATIONAL VERSION
    kicks any other player in the mp3 range
    if you knew what you missed out on you'll kick yourself
    ipod sucks

  148. 148. Iain

    Finally, someone with th sense to say what some of us have known for a long time - iPods are a rip off.

    They weren't the first HDD-based DAPs, they aren't the most feature-laden, nor are they the best value for money.

    The only thing they have going for 'em is the brand name and huge amounts of advertising - but, in a world were even FHM are starting to criticise, then the iPod brand is surely 'damaged'.

    Hopefully increasing numbers of dis-satisfied iPod owners will encourage new customers to do what a lot of old customers seem to have been unable/unwilling/just too damned lazy to do - have a look at what else is on the market.

  149. 149. Benny Placido

    I really do detest these Apple zealots. I have had an 40Gb ipod since February 2004. It's a good MP3 player and I don't miss not having WMA. But I suspect that I'd be just as happy with a Zen or something else that can hold 8000 songs. For me, it's about the music. Unfortunately, after 18 months, I can only listen to the music for about an hour or two before the battery packs up and I have to attach the rather weighty Belkin battery back up module. Since my machine is well out of warranty I should think about a replacement...hmm, let's take a look at that Zen.

  150. 150. anonymous

    Get Apple Care! I'm on my 4th 40Gig ipod in less than a year and I have me doubts about this one! Maybe I'll get a 5th replacement soon. I love Apple products, been using them since '84 and worked for a Apple Dealer for years!

  151. 151. shaun

    this article dosent prove much but i am an ipod hater. all these people replying going "ive had 6 ipods and they all worked" blah blah blah one i idiot said "go have your zen" at least the zens arent popular and there actually worth it.
    to people who have had 6 ipods why not change go for a creative, iriver any other good brand and you will go" god ipods suck!" but people who want to stay on the bandwagon dont be so original its cool to be diffrent! ipod owners will be jelous of you. just like with my cool iriver pmp 120!

  152. 152. The voice of truth

    Its so funny to listen to all these ipod haters, jealousy rearing its ugly head as usual. Either they couldn't afford an ipod or they didn't have a clue about mp3 players when they bought theirs, and now regret the knockoff product they bought.

    Why buy a Yugo (any other mp3 player) if you could have bought a Ferrari (ipod)? Then again, you have to have some cheapo product for the peasants.

    I have some sympathy for them, it must be so embarrasing to be seen on the tube taking out their inferior products.

    Go on, talk up your wannabe mp3 players all you like if it makes you feel better. Deep down you know the truth...you bought unfashionable, useless junk. HAH. You are what you buy!

  153. 153. BlowMe

    Did Bill Gates pay you to write this crap?

  154. 154. Chris Nixon

    Silicon is *not* anti-Apple (nor pro-Microsoft). This quick'n'dirty dig never ceases to amuse me, given the number of articles regularly posted on CNet sites such as this and ZDNet that could be construed as 'anti-Microsoft'. Ye gods, each juicy toing-and-froing of the MS anti-trust case(s) in the European courts is covered with gusto, not swept under the carpet as you guys doubtless would have us believe.

    So stop trying to have an easy pop at Silicon to justify your own anti-Microsoft bias.

  155. 155. Patrick Archibald

    The Creative Zen has better sound quality, longer life from a replaceable battery (about £29) and it costs less. No contest.

  156. 156. Harry Green

    It seems as though you guys just beat the heck out of personal music players. The iPods that died have small hard disks. I think any hard disk based device you can kill easily and it requires care in excess of a portable CD player. I do not think Apple has a quality problem.

    (Ed note. Even Apple has made some admissions accepting all is not perfect with the iPod. Read:
    http://hardware.silicon.com/pdas/0,39024643,39119921,00.htm
    And:
    http://hardware.silicon.com/storage/0,39024649,39130934,00.htm )

  157. 157. anonymous

    I've had my iPod Mini for a while now, and let me say this, I'm in love with it! I have the pink one, and it is so small and cute, and personalized by the free engravings Apple now offers. It's perfect for working out and I haven't had any problems with it. It sounds great, it's just awesome. I take it with me everwhere, it's always in my purse! It holds about 1,000 songs, perfect for me, I've had mine for about a month and I already have about 558 songs! To put songs on your iPod you need iTunes (included when you buy your iPod). Personally, I think iTunes is awesome. It is simple to use, and organizes my whole music library. It's simple to take playlists from your computer to your iPod. It also comes with four games (brick, music quiz, parachute, solitare). The music quiz is awesome! It quizes you on all of your music, perfect if your bored! You can also store notes, calendors, to do lists, and contact lists its amazing. It has a perfect screen which is easy to read, a bright beautiful backlight. You can easily shuffle all songs or play them in order. You can shuffle by albums, songs, artists anything! It can also play audiobooks to! Out of a ten I rate it a 20! I recomend you to buy it.

  158. 158. Sprocket999

    Whoa! What manner of crap is this? I've benn using my iPod Mini since I bought it as part of the 'rush deliveries'. You know -- the very FIRST products that actually make it to the retail outlets. I thought mine would have given up the ghost ages ago with the amount of business travel I do to the U.S and Europe. Nope. Mine is still going . . . and I might say, strong, as well. My wife got terribly enveous and last year bought a Mini for herself. No problems and has used it nearly every day. Mine is usually clipped to the inside of my breifcase, where it is reasonably well protected, so I guess that may offer some explanation. Problems? I don't know what you are talking about.

  159. 159. Andy Dee

    The Creative Zen 40gb is superior to any feeble Ipod with a better price and 3x longer battery life. I even dropped mine in the bath on Sunday and by Tuesday it had completey dried out and was working good as new with no loss of data.

  160. 160. neil fairbrother

    I bought my 1st generation iPOD the day they were launched in the UK. I still use it almost every day - as I write this I'm listening to the delightfully nostalgic ABBA. I've had no problems whatsoever with the device and, even using the ORIGINAL batteries I'm getting circa 4 or 5 hours of battery life.

    Given Apple have shipped millions and millions of these devices, and they are more complex and fragile that the origianl tape-based Walkman, it's not surprising there are a few units that don't work.

    My Son's 4Gb mini had to be replaced after about 2 months, but as the journo said, Apple's service is pretty good and it was replaced no probs.

    Still can't see a better product on the market.

    Ciao

    N

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