"Linux is great" says Microsoft

But open source users don’t agree…

NEWS Microsoft has admitted it has a soft spot for Linux – but it thinks open source users don’t share the same enthusiasm.

The Microsoft attitude towards the competition du jour has taken a turn towards the distinctly tolerant and speaking at the Microsoft IT Forum in Copenhagen, Bradley Tipp, the software company’s UK national systems engineer, said: “We have nothing against open source, from Microsoft’s point of view, it’s not a religious thing, it’s not them versus us… there are a lot of things we have learnt and there are a lot of things we should learn from open source.”

And it seems that Microsoft may actually be quite keen on taking a leaf out of the open source book, with an eye on putting its source code in the public domain. What some execs would like to see is a smart-card scheme – an extension of the existing practice where selected trusted users can access source code in a secure environment.

But Microsoft remains adamant that commercial reasons prevent it from simply putting the source code - its "crown jewels" - in the public domain.

That magpie attitude, according to Microsoft, is mutual. Red Hat’s decision to end support for its free software and the Novell-SuSE link-up have put the last nail in the coffin of the free software model, the Redmond behemoth believes - even going so far as to speculate that the move from free to paid-for open source software is a validation of Microsoft’s way of doing business and the only way the open source movement can survive.

Despite the rivalry, Microsoft is keen to talk up its love for the competition, One Microsoft employee even went so far as to say Linux having a 50 per cent market share would be good for Microsoft. "At least if Linux takes off, their viruses will propagate and we won’t be seen as the bad guys any more”, he said. Tipp equally sees advantages to Linux taking off. “We think Linux is great”, he said, adding that competition from the penguin and associates keeps the Microsoft on its toes.

Open source users, however, aren’t quite so overflowing with praise, he said. “We haven’t talked to a single user who’s said they’re using [open source] because it’s better.” Tipp argued that it is more a case of sheer frustration with licensing and Microsoft’s poor relationship with its customers over the last few years – or simply the perceived cost benefits of open source - driving users to migrate.

And it’s that ‘misperception’ that Microsoft is most keen to address, restating its aim to get more information on how free software fits into the total cost of ownership into the hands of its consumers.

But when it comes down to how seriously the Gates camp really takes its open source rivals, the message is now they’ve started to sit up and take notice: “Do we lie awake at night and worry? You know Microsoft, it’s the paranoid company. If someone buys just one copy of something else, we worry,” Tipp told silicon.com.

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  1. 1. Rick Stockton

    Mr. Tipp is unqualified to speak as an expert on the motives and opinions of FLOSS users if he truly hasn't "talked to a single user who’s said they’re using [open source] because it’s better." (He's either lying, or he has been living on another planet.)

    Microsoft continues to invoke the distasteful and offensive "religious thing" label at every opportunity. I'm disappointed, and will reply (in kind) by pointing out that to the best of my knowledge, Mr. Tripp has not been beating his wife recently.

    Finally, if Microsoft wants to assume that FLOSS projects are just another scheme by which for-profit companies will try to compete with them, that's OK. I feel that FLOSS software is primarily for the benefit of the community and society in general; making money is way down on the list of priorities. With lock-in Microsoft software, profit appears to be the top priority.

    In my personal opinion, the only "competition" which we have with Microsoft is to provide an alternative to the convicted criminal monopolist's attempts to (1) proprietize the Internet; and (2) impose ever-greater Microsoft Corporate control over computer users' access to their own data (using proprietary Office XML data formats, proprietary Longhorn file systems, proprietary DRM, and so on).

    • 12 November 2003 22:32
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  2. 2. Ben Russo

    "Red Hat’s decision to end support for its free software and the Novell-SuSE link-up have put the last nail in the coffin of the free software model..."

    What rubbish. Microsoft really doesn't understand. RedHat Enterprise Linux is released under the GPL. As are almost all (about 99.5%) of the software packages that constitute RedHat Linux. They are freely distribut-able and modifyiable and re-dsitribut-able.

    RedHat is just charging for support. Support was never free in the first place. RedHat just realized that the bandwidth was expensive and that they had made it too easy for freeloaders (people who use open-source community stuff without re-contributing) to use. So, RedHat changed the model a little. They still have all the source code available for free. You are still entitled to download it, compile it and give it away. However you just can't get the ISO's online, you can't download the binaries online and you don't get phone or e-mail support without paying for it.

    What part of this is the "end of free software model"?? After a few obnoxious, ill-informed winers get their heads out of their asses and understand what RedHat is doing, they will realize that 99.9% of all the Linux users out there probably never called or e-mailed RedHat for support anyway. So what do they care.

    • 12 November 2003 23:09
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  3. 3. Jeremy Langley

    There is value to open source and I'm not treading on thin ice when I say that Open Source projects are better than a closed source model. I will say that for the Network Administrator and the user in general Linux, kernel and most applications, are better.

    • 12 November 2003 23:30
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  4. 4. Sid Boyce

    Nice talk from Microsoft! They hope that by feeding the technical press with glossy words for glossy articles, they can dismiss Linux. Windows is insecure by design, so without a complete rip up and replace, it will remain so. Going back some years, we had a guy in a hamradio newsgroup who had never seen Linux, but was powerfully against it until he realised he was the best recruiting seargent for Linux in that group.
    Microsoft's PR has for quite some time been feeding the "when Linux has a greater market share, people will see it's just as insecure as Windows" line. If that's the best they can do, I'm heartened - they spend the PR bucks, Linux reaps the benefits.

    • 13 November 2003 00:54
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  5. 5. anonymous

    Well, I find it rather humorous that they're apparently "listening to customers" when I am completely ignored what I would like to see.

    I want to see Windows more UNIX like. I like the UNIX CLI, the directory structure, in a nutshell, the whole experience, however, Microsoft is hell-bent on having their crapp C:\Windows structure, well, good for them because they'll NEVER get me.

    If Microsoft adapted the FreeBSD base and built a GUI up from there, I would use it in an instant, however, due to their anti-UNIX dogma, they'll never take the pragmatic approach and will always insist on re-inventing the wheel, regardless of whether the new wheel is inferior.

    • 13 November 2003 01:35
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  6. 6. Narsingh Sahu

    I don't believe Microsoft, for all its bravado, will dare to publish its codes. It may do so for its "trusted" users with an EULA which will practically make the those who look at the source code, if at all, bonded to its terms. Won't Microsoft fear that charges of plagiarism/theft like SCO is doing to IBM and the open community may hound it?

    • 13 November 2003 05:06
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  7. 7. Phil Laszkowicz

    Well personally I use Linux at home (SuSE) because I find it IS better than Windows and I would be willing to debate that. I do also have Windows at home - just for games - but I prefer the PS series for games - unfortunatly MS Flight Simulator 2004 is not available on the PS2 :-). I'm ensured my business only uses Linux, although I'm happy to allow different distributions.

    • 13 November 2003 08:55
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  8. 8. Jonathan

    Yep, MS is right, they have a few reasons to worry.
    The .niet is getting nowhere. ALL their customers are frustrated. They are loosing the server market daily.
    People don't take their MCSE/MCSD courses.
    Learn from OpenOffice - which is the most stable Office Suit I've ever used...
    Many government are not upgrading Windows 95 and 98 machines.
    Novell, Sun, IBM, Oracle, SGI, RedHat and the rest of the big guys are taking big chunks of their food and cream.
    Yep. Pay Microsoft - the marketing company. People can't live well with McDonald's quality - not in the data center, and not as their home food.
    It's alright from a time to time to eat McDonald's and to use Windows - especially when you are drunk.

    • 13 November 2003 09:39
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  9. 9. Jonathan

    "Microsoft is great" sounds even funnier... ;-)

    • 13 November 2003 09:40
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  10. 10. Sean Sullivan

    I'm with Mr. Stockton about Tipp being an unqualified 'expert'. I meet VERY few people that use linux for reasons other than they feel it's better than any Microsoft product.

    I know my primary reason for using Linux is its' superiority in every aspect of computing that I have a need for ;-)

    • 14 November 2003 02:56
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  11. 11. anonymous

    I was just linked to this site across the pond, my first visit, by an article in /. and must say I am impressed. Great comments from top notch experts. You're on my places to visit every day.

    • 14 November 2003 05:45
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  12. 12. David Tibble

    Microsoft has changed my life. The explosion of the WIndows GUI model gave me a career, in fact several careers, firstly supporting and now selling IT solutions for the SMB market which revloves around PC based Microsoft solutions. Look what you have at home and the office, blindingly fast internet connections, ridiculously cheap yet immensly powerful PC's, cable modems, wireless connectivity, all allied industries funded by people buying PC technology for the home and office. If Mr Gates and co. during their time in court over the anti trust issues had said "Its a fair cop, we'll stop selling Windows desktop software" what would we have now ? A damn sight less than we have now. If The users and supporters of alternative operating systems spent less time condemning and more time educating then there might be a little more parity and less technical snobbery.

    • 14 November 2003 15:32
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  13. 13. Joe Klemmer

    This was funny when I first read it and it's still funny now. The inability of MS and the articles writer to see the fundimental change that open source is making to the whole IS world speaks volumes. You can see exactly what I mean by the phrased "competition du jour" that is used to describe Linux. This is like calling mammals the "competition du jour" for the Dinosaurs.

    • 17 November 2003 18:20
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  14. 14. anonymous

    "At least if Linux takes off, their viruses will propagate and we won’t be seen as the bad guys any more”, ....A hint that the great would start creating viruses for linux?????

    • 19 November 2003 01:19
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