Torvalds: "Solaris is a joke"

Sun as a rival? Linus isn't worried...

By Stephen Shankland, 21 December 2004 16:30

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IBM's Steve Mills said a lot of the Linux development road map is an eight-lane highway: seeing where Unix has gone makes it obvious where Linux needs to go. Is Linux charting its own course or just picking up Unix technology?
I'm a huge believer in proven concepts. If I have a hero, it would have to be Sir Isaac Newton, partly because he's unquestionably one of the most influential scientists who ever lived, but perhaps more importantly because of a quote he is famous for: "If I have been able to see farther, it was only because I stood on the shoulders of giants."

Now, Newton may not actually have been a very pleasant person in real life, but I think that quote is what personifies science. And open source. The whole point is to stand on the shoulders of giants, and make incremental improvements on concepts and ideas of others.

To invent something totally new and different just because you want to do something new and different is in my opinion, the height of stupidity and hubris. Linux is doing great things exactly because Linux isn't throwing out the baby with the bathwater, like so many projects tend to want to do. The NIH syndrome [Not Invented Here] is a disease.

What Linux myths or misconceptions do you find particularly galling?
I don't get upset that easily, so I can't say that there is any in particular that I find galling. One myth that I find interesting, but which has nothing to do with Linux or even the IT sector in particular, is the myth of how a single person or even a single company makes a huge difference in the market. It's the belief that things happen because somebody was visionary and "planned" it that way. Sometimes the people themselves seem to believe it, and then the myth becomes hubris.

I have to continually try to explain to people that no, I don't "control" what happens in Linux. It's about having an environment that is conducive to development, not so much about any particular leader. And I think that is true in most cases, be it the "great sport coach" or the "great spiritual leader".

I've always been sceptical of the great man theory of history, though it's had its moments. On the flip side, you clearly have had a pretty big influence over Linux, and Linux has a big influence over the computing industry. Has Linux made you more humble or has it boosted your ego?
Hey, it's not like my ego was that small to begin with, but Linux sure as hell hasn't made me more humble. What it has done is to make me realise just how much the movers and shakers really do depend on the environment they are in, or have been able to build up around them. And while that still doesn't make me humble, it hopefully keeps me at least a bit more grounded.

And I'm not trying to say that individuals don't matter. Individuals do matter, and I'm a huge believer in the theory that a motivated and smart person can do more than a thousand people who aren't. But what matters more than any individual is the kind of environment that brings in the people who shine. One of the things I think Linux has succeeded really well at is to let people shine.

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  1. 1. Neil Postlethwaite

    Linus Torvalds is worried.

    Driver issues can be resolved and
    is where Linux was a couple of years back.

    A free Solaris is a major threat, as it is an enterprise grade Unix OS that has been used for years as the backbone of world IT/Research/Comms/Engineering/Manufacture etc

  2. 2. Ron Rapp

    Torvalds is worried or he is just stupid and I know he ain't stupid! Solaris 10 will have Innovation written all over it. Is an operating system with this man's name on it really as open as it says on the tin? Try getting a feature Torvalds doesn't like in it there's the joke.

  3. 3. Björn H.

    Hmm, there is a lot of FUD coming from the Linux camp these days. First there was Zemlin's statement and now Linus tries to attack Solaris... again. I think it's very interesting that both of them are claiming that Solaris doesn't innovate, which is obviously a false statement (actually i'd call it lying). I switched from Linux to Sun's OpenSolaris Distro after the first try and I was a longterm Linux user (for the last 12 years). There are so many innovations like Dtrace, ZFS, SMF, Zones and you get an awesome set of development tools. Actually every new build is packed with new features and new drivers, and those are coming bi-monthly. From my point of view Linux needs to catch up a lot until it's en par with Solaris (drivers are the only exception here)

    Regards,
    Bj?

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