By Will Sturgeon, 19 September 2005 18:25
COMMENT During the turn of the century technology boom years, Autonomy was something of a poster child for UK high-tech. A lot has changed since then in terms of the fluctuating health of the sector and the nature of the search industry - not least of all because of the rise of Google.
But Autonomy founder Mike Lynch - who remains CEO at the company - is convinced Google will not repeat its consumer success in the enterprise market and believes the search industry is on the verge of great things.
"Unstructured information" remains at the heart of Autonomy's approach. Lynch claims 80 per cent of information within the enterprise is unstructured and with the sheer volume of information ballooning, on the back of a move towards greater compliance and new data formats such as multimedia files, the need is greater than ever to be able to search this data quickly and effectively.
Applications serving this growing market are what Lynch refers to as "second generation" search technologies. Google, he admits rules the first generation but his sights are set on more ambitious challenges.
"A lot of people are getting the message of unstructured information very strongly. We're starting to see an appetite for second-generation technologies. There is no point in trying to out-Google Google."
"A lot of people think search is about looking for a word. It's not, it's about an idea," Lynch told silicon.com.
"Google has very little impact on our end of the market. The one thing it has done is dumb-down how people search, which is a shame," said Lynch.
"The important thing is to understand what Google does. Google is very successful at internet search. And when we talk about internet search we're talking about typing one or two words into a blank box.
"Say I'm interested in the effect of oil pollution on the penguin population of Alaska. Although that's the idea someone is looking for they will walk up to a search engine and just type 'penguin'."
"They would never walk up to a librarian and just say 'penguin'. And that's the Google effect. We've been trained to assume the search engine is dumb and that takes a little un-training in enterprise."
But Lynch believes businesses will all come around to the importance of search within the enterprise.
"The bigger you are, the more unstructured information you create," he explains, and the move towards the 'paperless office' is making a huge difference. "Email and the move away from dead trees are creating this data."
Autonomy already includes Astra Zeneca, British Aerospace, Nokia, Shell and Vodafone among a growing customer list.
"Now people are thinking about what the next generation of search will offer," he said. "You'll be able to search TV right down to every individual bit, not just the title or the meta data."
Lynch believes precise moments of speech and footage will be searchable within three-hour features, once number of hurdles have been overcome - not least of which is the "most boring" issue of digital rights management.
Lynch added: "The other issue is having technology which understands what is being said and shown in that bit of a TV show, because you can't have people watch it and meta-tag it every three seconds with what's going on."
"But once you can organise the technology then you can take these very big archives, like the BBC are doing at the moment, and make it all available," he said.
Perhaps of greater relevance to the enterprise is the growth in IP telephony and the application of such search technologies to archive and search all calls.
"A big growth area in making phone calls searchable is of course in the call centre," said Lynch. "So as VoIP really takes hold people will be searching phone calls like they do email. And in the call centre people will want to find all the calls where customers complained about the same thing.
"This is all just part of handling unstructured information and it's live in call centres right now. It's in the Vodafone call centre now and the most powerful way it works is that it listens in on the calls and suggests answers on the screen."
Such a system is fully integrated with CRM systems and searches similar enquiries and suggested responses and solutions in real time.
"There is a real return on investment here for mobile telephony and insurance call centres because there is a 30 per cent reduction in staff needs because the calls are 30 per cent shorter," said Lynch.
"Once you start talking like this the ROI becomes very clear. You're actually taking out jobs that would have been done by people," he added, though he stressed that this need not equate to redundancies but rather may be a case of freeing up staff from jobs which could be automated.
"There are all sorts of ROI figures you could produce which show how much time and money is wasted within the enterprise because of bad search."
And while time saving and ROI are major issues in driving enterprise level search adoption they are far from the most important driver Lynch identifies.
"Some of it will be very strategic, which is heartening. Big companies realising the importance of unstructured information is the dream conversation," he said.
"Another big driver at the moment will be a reactive need, and a key driver there will be corporate governance. Take for example a large US company. And the CEO gets called up before Congress because something has gone wrong. He hasn't done it but it's happened somewhere within his company. You'd be amazed how quickly they'll suddenly connect up all their unstructured information.
"In the US they have to personally sign off everything but how the hell do you know everything that's happening in your organisation? And what happens when the SEC knocks on the door and says we want everything to do with a certain subject?"
Similarly search can work the other way around - alerting somebody to something they really didn't know they wanted, or needed, to know about.
"Search is going to become a lot more than typing words into a box. It's going to become about alerting. This has just happened, or this has just happened in your Malaysia office or we're getting an awful lot of complaints coming into the call centre about this problem with the product," said Lynch.
"It's not traditional search because you're not typing something in a box but there's a crucial need."
And in flagging up problems, companies will also find they come across inefficiencies within their operation.
"A lot of it comes back to the fact that 80 per cent of our information is unstructured. The number of people who have worked out that the same problem is being worked on by 16 or 17 people across the organisation is massive.
"The classic we had was with British Aerospace and I remember watching this happen. They had two groups, each with £7m, with the second group working on exactly the same problem as they first group who were just 200 miles away," said Lynch.
"It's not uncommon to find the same thing worked on 20 times."
And the amount of data will only increase as electronic communications and the quantity of data being shared, stored and archived increases.
"If you want to back up on all of this, what's going on is really quite fascinating," said Lynch.
"If you were sitting in an English village 1,000 years ago then nothing happened. Occasionally every hundred years or so Black Death would come along, or the odd riot, and then what we've seen in the past century is an explosion in the amount of data being delivered to a person.
"In the 1920s you might have got one phone call to a village and some small boy would run out to get the person the call was for. And then everybody had a phone but the idea of having a mobile phone was a Star Trek thing - I think people forget that. I used to drive a couple of hours to a business meeting and have the radio on but now I'll be on the phone the whole way. And then there's email.
"The amount of data going to an individual is now immense," said Lynch. "The ability to slice, dice and route that information is going to become very fundamental."

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1. Steve Gramm
Puuuuhleeez! We call this guy a visionary? All the things this guy talks about are either already done (search within TV programs), or companies have announced it. I would really like to get my hands on this Vodaphone applicatio he talks about, coz if this application is smart enought to listen and understand what the consumer wants fromt hat conversation, maybe the next step is in-line language translation as well. Give me a break!
This Google bashing stuff has gone a bit too far. Take a pot shot at Google if Autonomy comes even close to building even one decent application that can be used by millions of people, then we can talk.
2. anonymous
Mr. Lynch is the one that is dumbing down searching on Google. Who types in the word 'penguin' when searching for the effect of oil pollution on the penguin population of Alaska? Most people will type in 'penguin oil pollution alaska'. Typing in that phrase brings up some very relevant results.
3. anonymous
At the heart of this gent's company is Bayesian logic which makes it not really much at all. All the other stuff he mentions is just add-ons.
4. naveen varshneya
Next generation of search as right said is automating search and giving consumers telepathic effect. technology needs to serve humanity to reach maturity level. with the help of web and mobile, it is possible to achieve it. Mobile Mantra as digital cross media is already working on creating that impact. consider this. first generation of work done by google was needed to create category and platform, but google, still serves only 15% of the global population having web access and yet they are named largest media company in the world. With the combination of web and mobile, it can reach almost 90% of the population but google will not do it. it has to be done by next generation companies.
5. Ruprecht
All Mike ever does is bang on about other people not getting it and telling us that we want to search more and more unstructured data while selling the odd over priced licence to large organisations without the sense to know it isn't worth it.
Meanwhile the rest of us have been getting on with structuring our data (how many 'proper' web designers don't optimise their sites for search engines?) and spending our money wisely.
Mike, rather than criticise Google impress us with something relevant that actually works mate.
6. P.P.Pickupa
Penguins in Alaska - search for zoo escapes? Now that's dumbing down!
7. Anonymous
In this article, readers can see that Autonomy is way behind in comparision to Google's technology and vision, and cannot compete wisely.
8. Russ
Heh, I hope the traffic cops don't read that bit about him driving for two hours to a meeting and being on the phone all the way. That's illeeeeeeeeegal...
9. Henry
I wouldn't have thought penguins were in any danger of oil polution in Alaska - they inhabit the Southern Hemisphere, a fact that seems to have escaped one of your comments posters as well.
10. anonymous
I'm sure in a few years time we will laugh at the idea of typing a single word into a blank box and getting a result
11. Scott
Hang on, aren't visionaries the ones who actually dare to do things differently and change the norm? Isn't that how we make progress?
12. Martin Bartholomew
Sad to see the abusive comments made by people who are probably quite intelligent ....intellectually that is.... Whatever happended to building on what other people say, rather than just knocking it?
Good luck. You make the case well. You see the BAE £7m story over an over again.
13. anonymous
Searching calls for Vodafone sounds pretty advanced – these guys have got to know what they're doing.
14. hanna Williams
A true vision..read it don't just jump to the defence of google...he isn't knocking Google but just saying where things will go..Phone alerting, implicit query, natural languge search....surely this has to be whther from new google or someone else
Always knock the guy who dares to think differently
15. Olivia Tamayo
Haven't these people done all kinds of clever stuff with searching TV?
16. Ruprecht
"Haven't these people done all kinds of clever stuff with searching TV?"
No, not yet...in the real world it just doesn't implement well.
As for those who say "don't knock him" for thinking differently and "he's not knocking Google"...well in my book when you acuse someone of 'dumbing-down' that's a knock.
I have worked with Autonomy products and listened to him speak on many topics and agree that those who think differently should be heard but let's not lose sight of the fact that he is also a businessman and as such what is wrong with expecting his products to work?
Selling a vision as reality can be a dangerous thing.
Do you all jump the the defense of Bill Gates when he talks of his 'vision'...I doubt it?
R
;0) still smiling
17. Ralph Chunks
Yo Mike
Ain't no penguins in Alaska dude.
Best
Ralph
18. Marion Axsoln
Haha... those comments about penguins in Alaska are pretty funny. So, OK Mr. Lynch did not use a very good example, but give him a bit of credit. The idea of automatically centralizing information, discovering redundancies is cool (though probably not original).
What I am not comfortable with is that Mr Lynch makes it sound simple, like his technology will solve all the search-related problems and more, when it's not simple: it takes a lot more than just technology to centralize information. It takes both the intelligent technology and cooperative and intelligent humans. The former is easier than the latter.
19. Not an idiot
Mike Lynch is not dumbing down searching... have you any idea about the mathematical theorums that were used to creat the meaning based computing technology. He is a genius, the products are amazing, and apparantly none of the top businesses as well as foreign and domestic governments seem to agree with you either. Why don't you do your research?